Hi Ho its off to Jail they go

[hp_fa]

go to post #35 READ BACK.

Sorry I had missed it. Thanks.

 

[IAM1776PHL]

I don't believe the International or DL141 knew what was going to go down, and when I say DL141 I mean Randy Canale. In fact as I said earlier I don't think the 22 even knew it would snowball into what it did. It's already been established that an AGC from the District was involved, but I don't believe that he had the blessing of Canale.

If an election were to take place it was almost certain that 50% + 1 would not have been possible and the FSA would have been left with no union. Having gone through decertification once before in 1991 people were upset. FSA were shafted constantly by the company and no one wanted that to happen again. On top of that there are three AGCs from PHL and the FSAs control LL1776. For a select handful of people this is a sweet gig. You can get off on union business at will and take some pretty nice trips to conventions and such. I'm not just talking about the AGCs either. Losing the union meant being open to the companies will again, but more importantly for those select few it meant the possibility of actually having to show up for work every day and start slinging bags again.

Did the District know beforehand? We know for a fact that at least one person being paid by DL141 knew. I'm not so sure anyone else knew though. I guess technically the District was involved since an AGC was, but it's a stretch to say the District was involved.

In any case it's going to get very interesting very soon

So once again at the direction of three so called union officers
22 jumped the gun , so to speek
I.M.O........Thats as dumb as they come

 

[gonzo]

Wow, I have just seen ignorance hit an all time high.
If you actually believe your post then there is no hope in educating you what actually goes on in the real world.

Hmmmm.....this sounds like something that was said too you 7 concerning the IAM.

Each individual has their own experiences with a union. Ten people will have ten different experiences and opinions of a union concerning the same event.

To try to keep this topic on track......The law will speak to this problem of union violence in the near future. I can only hope that it will benefit us all. 🙂

 

[Tim Nelson]

I'm not sure if Randy Canale had anything to do with this.
He would be stupid if he did.
I'm sure evidence could be entered against him if the answer to the following question was yes.

Did Randy Canale attend the union meeting at 1776 leading up to these charges? And was this action 'conspired' at the union meeting? Is there a sign-in sheet and does the attendance 'closely mirror' the 22.

One thing is for sure, someone will be singing like a canary since these are 'painful' charges, and I wouldn't be surprised if Canale knew of some things.

Regards,

 

[hp_fa]

One thing is for sure, someone will be singing like a canary since these are 'painful' charges, ...

Regards,

Yup, Julie Andrews would likely be impressed at the amount of singing that will be occurring.

 

[Travels2mch]

If it hadn't been for unions and their membership sacrificing for those things, you wouldn't have them.

Many things we take for granted used to come about only if you had a contract. Unions, to their credit got many contract items passed into law.

I agree with you totally, but that's in history, not today.

 

[diogenes]

I agree with you totally, but that's in history, not today.

And given the history of management and this Administration, they would love to make things like unions, 40 hour weeks, safe work conditions, etc. history.

They have already narrowed the scope of who receives overtime.

And I'd bet the miners would like some safety regs that were actually enforced.


We working folks are in it together, union or not, like it or not.

Managment has their act together.

 

[PITbull]

I have all that now, and have always had it in 28 years of working and have never needed a union to get it for me. He's right....it's 2006, not 1906.

Charlie Brown,

Again, let me refresh your memory since you appear to have read my post:

Unions keep a balance in the work place and as a by-product allows for the establishement of wages, 8-hour work day, overtime, and benefits for non-union workers as well. It applied 50 years ago and applies up to present day, 2006.

 

[hp_fa]

Charlie Brown,

Again, let me refresh your memory since you appear to have read my post:

Unions keep a balance in the work place and as a by-product allows for the establishement of wages, 8-hour work day, overtime, and benefits for non-union workers as well. It applied 50 years ago and applies up to present day, 2006.

PitBull is correct. While some of you are smart and talented enough to hold higher level and important jobs, many cannot. Those that can't do various degrees of grunt work. The kind of work that the smart and talented cannot do for themselves, yet they need the labors of these people for varying goods and services that they consume.

These people do not get to negotiate with the boss, or even the Director of HR. They are hired by some corporate weenie whose job it is to pay the folks as little as they can to do the job. Likely the more they save on payroll the greater the bonus at the end of the year.

So, don't begrudge folks their right to organize. If you don't wish to be union, then don't be union.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

PitBull is correct. While some of you are smart and talented enough to hold higher level and important jobs, many cannot. Those that can't do various degrees of grunt work. The kind of work that the smart and talented cannot do for themselves, yet they need the labors of these people for varying goods and services that they consume.

These people do not get to negotiate with the boss, or even the Director of HR. They are hired by some corporate weenie whose job it is to pay the folks as little as they can to do the job. Likely the more they save on payroll the greater the bonus at the end of the year.

So, don't begrudge folks their right to organize. If you don't wish to be union, then don't be union.

Doesn't always work that way............... :unsure:

 

[john john]

While some of you are smart and talented enough to hold higher level and important jobs, many cannot. Those that can't do various degrees of grunt work. The kind of work that the smart and talented cannot do for themselves, yet they need the labors of these people for varying goods and services that they consume.

And what jobs are these in the airlines?

 

[PITbull]

PitBull is correct. While some of you are smart and talented enough to hold higher level and important jobs, many cannot. Those that can't do various degrees of grunt work. The kind of work that the smart and talented cannot do for themselves, yet they need the labors of these people for varying goods and services that they consume.

These people do not get to negotiate with the boss, or even the Director of HR. They are hired by some corporate weenie whose job it is to pay the folks as little as they can to do the job. Likely the more they save on payroll the greater the bonus at the end of the year.

So, don't begrudge folks their right to organize. If you don't wish to be union, then don't be union.

Thanks Hp,

Teachers are union, nurses are union, police officers, firemen, and doctors are now organizing as well. There is abuse in all professions.
With regard to nurses and physicians...organizing is relatively new. I was responsible for organizing a group of nurses in a nursing home in 1996 because of management abuse in forced manditory overtime, lack of staffing, injuries, nurse fatigue which had an effect on patient care and jeopardized their nurse license. It wasn't wages but rather working conditions and workrules that created a labor movement in this hospital.

Hershey Hospital and AGH nurses in Pittsburgh are all under Health Care Workers International 1199P-SEIU.

 

[hp_fa]

And what jobs are these and the airlines?

John John, I am not sure I understand the question. I was referring to a larger world then just the airline. I was referring to a lot of our captains of industry that are out there, not just the airline industry. I was also referring to grunts, who could be garbage collectors, people who work in the supermarkets, fast food industry, and a whole lot of others including the aviation industry.

So, if you still have a question could you re-word it for me?

 

[PITbull]

I agree with you totally, but that's in history, not today.

It still amazes me that folks like yourself never ask how it came to be...here you sit, after 28 years enjoying the fruits and squaking that you never needed a union to have it. You just made my point.

To have these provisions without having a union and not paying union dues not having to fight for it must make you feel outstanding .. However, someone else who has, and still do set the "standard". You reaped by their courage and risk, even those that fight today to maintain and keep the "standard" alive.Your just too arrogant to humble yourself to acknowledge it.
We have a word for folks like yourself...I'm sure you know what that is.


Oh, and btw, before you start accusing me of some union leader bias, I'M NO LONGER UNION, but rather holding a management position. But I certainly support organized labor and recognize its purpose..., for the reasons you just pointed out, who directly and INdirectly it benefits. Organized labor is our Nation's back bone and an element in maintaining the checks /balances, and is the driving economic force in our infrastructure.

 

[hula-flyguy]

I agree with PitBull. Been with the company 27 years, 10 of those were in a union. I benefit now from what the unions obtained. Let's see how long that lasts. I have a sinking feeling that non union employees are in for a rude awakening.