I know. Not another DOH thread

[lasttoboard]

Parents, dependents, registered guests, etc. should only get SA3 if they travel WITH the employee. If you got bumped and the employee didn't travel with her mom . .sounds to me like someone cheated.

I agree with you, keep changing the rules until at least one element of the SA faction is pleased. There is absolutely no reason to respect or honor previous agreements, after all it's the airline industry!

 

[gizmo_sc]

I have heard that US was the only airline that kept retirees at the same priority as active. Thus the change.

Is this true? How do other airlines work?

When I was TWA, all retirees came after active employees we used DOH and it was very frustrating to be at the airport over an hr before your flight verified and sitting in the gate area waiting on your name to be called only to see a VERY SENIOR EMPLOYEE come up at last minute with a wife and 4 kids, verify and take all the FC seats, so I am for FIRST COME with checkin ONLINE, All these folks that have problems with logging into ETC need to CLEAN up their computer since the servers were updated I have used it at home, in a hotel , at a STARBUCKS and had no problem whatsoever. Only problem I had was a SUPERVISOR @ GSO told me to use the KIOSK for a trip to YUL, NOT !!!!! A very kind agent had to cancel my listing and do it over, there were 2 of us traveling and I got my ticket but my companion did not !!!!!!

 

[soc-hpjester]

Excop48 -- So true. FCFS all the way. The fair way for everyone.

 

[Travelpro72]

Well I got news for ya babes.....I have a brand new laptop, a desktop at home and a computer at our crashpad and they ALL have trouble logging onto the ETC from time to time. So until they make the system more reliable you can forget it. I think that the system should be tweaked a bit where as if you are listed then 1hour before a more senior person should not be able to bump. I don't like the last minute biting your nails hoping a senior momma doesn't hussle from A-west to C** to catch my flight. Uggggg it makes me just wanna throw a stick in her wheels.

 

[LCC_#1]

Well I got news for ya babes.....I have a brand new laptop, a desktop at home and a computer at our crashpad and they ALL have trouble logging onto the ETC from time to time. So until they make the system more reliable you can forget it. I think that the system should be tweaked a bit where as if you are listed then 1hour before a more senior person should not be able to bump. I don't like the last minute biting your nails hoping a senior momma doesn't hussle from A-west to C** to catch my flight. Uggggg it makes me just wanna throw a stick in her wheels.

ABSOLUTELY!! The "new" ETC is a freakin joke. All those numbers to give you an idea of how many seats are avaiable? Add 20 to 40. What you think is actually is NOT!!

 

[pilot]

I've looked at both sides and check in time is still the fairest.

I have a good deal of seniority for my status, but, an airline consists of all employees, from the new hire to the old veteran. Free travel is not a right, its a privilege, its one that non airline people envy us for.

If you have high seniority, you already enjoy the perks of great scheduling, scheduling that is the envy of many other people in "traditional" jobs.

You go on vacation, you take the time to study up and find a flight you think you can get on. Just because you have kept your job for a number of years shouldn't be the determinant for you getting on an empty flight.

The "entitlement" culture needs to rethink their place in the company. No one is entitled to anything. A job is a two way contract

Go ahead and flame on, fair is fair, its tough enough working at an airline, why penalize employees on the one benefit everyone loves by making it only for the old timers?

Allow me to flame you. You speak a number of times about "entitled" and "rights" and how we are "envied". Wow, you sure are lucky to have a job aren't you? If you feel lucky to have a job you don't think too highly of yourself. You were hired because someone thought you were the right person for the job. And you are "entitled" to the benfits and pay in your contract. As long as you hold up your end of the contract.

Free travel is contractual, therefore it is a "right" and not a "privilege". Learn a little about what contracts are and what they do for an employee.

You, assuming you are an employee, are indeed entitled to each and every item in the contract you have with your company. That is why you have a contract. YOU need to rethink YOUR place in the company. Without you and the thousands of others who do their jobs there would be no company. The company is not a benefactor, they are your employer. And you are ENTITLED to RIGHTS spelled out in the contract you fulfill each time you go to work.

And seniority within this industry has always determined working conditions and pay. As far as I'm concerned the most senior get the first seats and it goes down the seniority list from there. That is fair and that is a benefit of having put more time in with the company.

pilot

 

[MerlinMagician]

When I was TWA, all retirees came after active employees we used DOH and it was very frustrating to be at the airport over an hr before your flight verified and sitting in the gate area waiting on your name to be called only to see a VERY SENIOR EMPLOYEE come up at last minute with a wife and 4 kids, verify and take all the FC seats, so I am for FIRST COME with checkin ONLINE, All these folks that have problems with logging into ETC need to CLEAN up their computer since the servers were updated I have used it at home, in a hotel , at a STARBUCKS and had no problem whatsoever. Only problem I had was a SUPERVISOR @ GSO told me to use the KIOSK for a trip to YUL, NOT !!!!! A very kind agent had to cancel my listing and do it over, there were 2 of us traveling and I got my ticket but my companion did not !!!!!!

Why do we need to have any roadblocks put in front of us to non-rev(ETC check-in)? With DOH all the info is already in the system and let it sort it out. If you are concerned about someone senior showing up and taking your seat, just remember that unless you're the most senior person in the company, someone is ALWAYS going to be senior to you.

 

[Travelpro72]

Well as far as DOH goes now, anyone senior can show up at the counter at the last minute and bump. A person has all damn day to list. If your going to do a Rome trip then list before you leave. If the loads change then that is the risk you take. Someone should not have to suffer because they are a ramper and you are a flight attendant. I know some are on flights and are rushing to make their flight or going on vacation. It should be one hour before departure and you are locked in. Anyone senior after the one hour mark should go AFTER those that took the time to get there. Not EVERYONE is a flight attendant and should not have to wait and bite their nails for someone more senior to come out of the damn woodwork.

 

[ChrisUS]

I have heard that US was the only airline that kept retirees at the same priority as active. Thus the change.

Is this true? How do other airlines work?

I have a buddy at UA and he said retirees actually go ahead of active employees. I'm guessing its because they tend to be senior. Im sure other airlines also board retirees as equals.

Someone in another post here also made a very good case for DOH. If you change your routing due to a delay or full flight, you go to the bottom of the list. FCFS worked well for the old America West. Most employees were in PHX or LAS and flew nonstop to whenerever they were going.
With a much larger company, there are more options available and we in the East have constant weather delays. If I list and check in for a connection via PHL to go somewhere and then get to the aiport and find the flight is delayed, I'm at the bottom of the list for the CLT connection. 🙁
With DOH, that isnt an issue. Everyone keeps bringing up senior employees checking in at the last moment. That really hasn't ever happened to me and NOWADAYS, you HAVE to be at the aiport at least an hour in advance if you want to get through security. At our station, baggage cut off is 30 minutes prior to flight time. A check in time limit has to be enforced.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Pilot, I never belonged to a union, never had a contract, and could lose my job at any time. And for that, I am glad. No one holds a gun to anyone's head and makes them work, its a choice.

I am a retiree, an early one in fact.

Free flights were never, ever contractual at HP, and all employees are hired on an at will basis.

Once again, the "we are entitled" culture doesn't get it.

You aren't entitled to anything, its just a job. A job is not a right given to you, you have to earn it and keep it and perform to standards, or lose your job.

 

[PHX-F/A]

I am still for DOH in boarding.Way too many problems with ETC. If your unfortunate enough to have your name placed on the do not fly list you can not ck-in and place your name on the stand-by list via the ETC.Why are you penalized because your name is common? Everyone should fly on senority regardless of active, retired, or commuting to work.Equality for all (just not the chosen few). DOH for all

Hey, my name is a similar match too! So is my dad, DOH is the only remedy. Forget about row23middle, send a written note to DP.

I've been hearing that the planned decision is for March, when the Sabre to Shares cutover occurs.

I've looked at both sides and check in time is still the fairest.

I have a good deal of seniority for my status, but, an airline consists of all employees, from the new hire to the old veteran. Free travel is not a right, its a privilege, its one that non airline people envy us for.

If you have high seniority, you already enjoy the perks of great scheduling, scheduling that is the envy of many other people in "traditional" jobs.

You go on vacation, you take the time to study up and find a flight you think you can get on. Just because you have kept your job for a number of years shouldn't be the determinant for you getting on an empty flight.

The "entitlement" culture needs to rethink their place in the company. No one is entitled to anything. A job is a two way contract

Go ahead and flame on, fair is fair, its tough enough working at an airline, why penalize employees on the one benefit everyone loves by making it only for the old timers?

Watch, you'll be the next to go on the similar names list and you'll change your tune.

 

[pilot]

Pilot, I never belonged to a union, never had a contract, and could lose my job at any time. And for that, I am glad. No one holds a gun to anyone's head and makes them work, its a choice.

I am a retiree, an early one in fact.

Free flights were never, ever contractual at HP, and all employees are hired on an at will basis.

Once again, the "we are entitled" culture doesn't get it.

You aren't entitled to anything, its just a job. A job is not a right given to you, you have to earn it and keep it and perform to standards, or lose your job.

No one said a job was a right.

What I said was that a contract entitles you to rights. Either you were in management or cannot read. Or both.

You need to read your history regarding labor and management and what was going on in this country prior to labor unions. Workers were "retired" involuntarily at any time, as you say, for things like the color of their skin or speaking out of turn. Ever see the movie Norma Rae?

If performance were key to holding a job explain to me how Al Crelin is still working here.

I'll say it again slowly----Workers are ENTITLED to RIGHTS spelled out in the CONTRACTS both they and the company have agreed to. That's the law.

And anyone can quit at any time. Then the contracts do not apply. Because the person who quit did not comply with the EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT.

pilot

 

[Justme]

I was trying to use the ETC to check a few loads for my trip earlier. I could not log on for the five times I tried. It kept saying something about cookies. If you are to rely on the ETC to list 12 hours ahead whether at home or in the hotel business center of a hotel in Hong Kong. I use the ETC all the time and was using it earlier. Until they can GUARANTEE that these snags and bugs will be fixed they better forget this FCFS $H1T. I don't care how they do it but to impose something that screws you here and there is not right.

This happened to me a couple of times and I was always able to correct it by opening a new Internet Explorer window.

hope that helps,
jm

 

[700UW]

Actually you have to show up and check-in 30 minutes prior to the departure, otherwise your seniority does not matter.

 

[john john]

CWA is in the process of scheduling arbitration dates regarding the contract violations of the retiree's and immediate family members boarding rights for non-rev. Past practice is retires and immediate family members board by DOH