IAM Fleet Service Thread

[Edward]

Folks here is the new thread. Reminder no personal attacks. Stick to issues.

 

[rat tales]

Mr. Enima,

I think that people might misunderstand the person you are referring to. The former Grievance Committeeman "MC" was in fact against Section 6 for the west and was adamant that he would crush anyone trying to give them a voice. If anyone spoke up about protections for the west he openly called them traitors. That is the reason, among others, that he was bounced out on his @$$.
The other MC who you are confusing us with has always been an advocate for job protections east and west. Why do you think we voted the last T/A down. Actually he was in team 2 for an 8 hour shift making other people aware that PF himself was advocating throwing the west under the bus. Don't worry though, no one listens to what the former Grievance Committee MC has to say anyway

 

[cltrat]

Mr. Enima,

I think that people might misunderstand the person you are referring to. The former Grievance Committeeman "MC" was in fact against Section 6 for the west and was adamant that he would crush anyone trying to give them a voice. If anyone spoke up about protections for the west he openly called them traitors. That is the reason, among others, that he was bounced out on his @$$.
The other MC who you are confusing us with has always been an advocate for job protections east and west. Why do you think we voted the last T/A down. Actually he was in team 2 for an 8 hour shift making other people aware that PF himself was advocating throwing the west under the bus. Don't worry though, no one listens to what the former Grievance Committee MC has to say anyway

you're right I forgot about that clown, I just knew the current committee MC would not make those comments.

 

[roabilly]

Mr. Distract Farce…

Since this is tha beginnin’ of ahh new thread… I’ll extend my request once more…

If you want us tahh consider tha validity of yer lengthy diatribes, you must first reveal
yer credentials. What has embellished yahh with all this personal insight’ ’n knowledge?

We (Fleet Workers) pretty much know each other in here…you however… have yet to disclose to us who you are. Why are yahh to be considered an authority on Fleet Service’s bargainin’ stance, and tha state of airline operational business models in general?

In my opinion… Mr. Farce will dodge the above questions, and refuse to reveal his employer, classification, position, or even location!

Mr. Farce…if yahh want these Fleet people to accept your rants as gospel…yahh better validate yer credentials!

We are watin’ fer yer answers…. Mr. Farce!
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Distract: Catch somebody’s attention: to take somebody’s attention away from what he or she is doing or thinking, or from what is happening.

Farce: absurd situation: a ridiculous situation in which everything goes wrong or becomes a sham.
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[Dog Wonder]

Wow, two posts already attacking some one.

Union rule is not mob rule.

 

[mike33]

Mr. Farce…if yahh want these Fleet people to accept your rants as gospel…yahh better validate yer credentials!

We are watin’ fer yer answers…. Mr. Farce!
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roabilly,

There are a lot of people viewing these posts these days and people like DF are here to distract from the upcoming elections and nothing else. Most of us do know one another in respect as to what we want out of these negotiations and we keep to our task. When I post I usually try to post according to the history of my employment so let me be the first to say to DF, Jester, and anyone else.

I work for HP in SAN and am a previous East Furloughee
I am PSA/USAIR/HP/ don't know yet.
Over my previous years with PSA I was furloughed 3 times
Over my previous years with Usairways I have been furloughed twice
Hired 8/21/74

If you believe that I am not concerned about the outcome of these or any contract negotiations then I can't help you.

DF ur next

 

[lithuanian]

So far! This weekend is tough. It' Palm Sunday! There' plenty going on with families. US AIRWAYS is giving us all a GUTT ACHE!

The union either gets us Money and Stability or we have to get the RLA attorney for an outside DFR!

Enjoy Easter. But! IAM are sucking us Dry! And so is the company. Happy Easter!

Once we get an attorney for 141 and/or 142 we can all go back to work knowing our money invested is looking out for our interests. How many of us working fleet or mechanics have ever sued? This is the way to get it done.

 

[AluminumEnemaTime]

So far! This weekend is tough. It' Palm Sunday! There' plenty going on with families. US AIRWAYS is giving us all a GUTT ACHE!

The union either gets us Money and Stability or we have to get the RLA attorney for an outside DFR!

Enjoy Easter. But! IAM are sucking us Dry! And so is the company. Happy Easter!

Once we get an attorney for 141 and/or 142 we can all go back to work knowing our money invested is looking out for our interests. How many of us working fleet or mechanics have ever sued? This is the way to get it done.

Your living in a dream world. Go to school and get an education.

 

[orioleman]

aluminum enema,
Please GO back to your MTC thread. YOU don't have a dog in this f/s fight. So
why do you feel the need to stir the pot.. Remember YOU have a license and are skilled labor

so leave us unskilled uneducated fleet service people alone.. If WE chose to hold out it has no baring on

your outcome.. IF you want we can flood your thread and stir the pot.

 

[AluminumEnemaTime]

aluminum enema,
Please GO back to your MTC thread. YOU don't have a dog in this f/s fight. So
why do you feel the need to stir the pot.. Remember YOU have a license and are skilled labor

so leave us unskilled uneducated fleet service people alone.. If WE chose to hold out it has no baring on

your outcome.. IF you want we can flood your thread and stir the pot.

OK, Oriole, I will leave you boys alone. I do wish you luck.

Its just that lith is so pathetic I can't help myself from hammering him.

 

[Edward]

OK, Oriole, I will leave you boys alone. I do wish you luck.

Its just that lith is so pathetic I can't help myself from hammering him.

I would also suggest going back to the mtc. thread a good idea as you are very close to time off. So consider this a warning & this is also for any one else who wants to make it personal. We are tired of playing games. Time off awaits.

 

[Hey.. Chill Out]

I'll get it goin again. Here are some of my original questions:

I did some research on the 30-day cooling off period and this is what I found:

What if no agreement is reached during the 30-day cooling off period?
If no agreement is reached by the end of the 30-day cooling off period, the parties are free to exercise "self-help." This means that the carrier is free to impose its last offer, temporarily cease operations or engage in other self-help activity (e.g., hiring permanent replacements). The union is free to strike or engage in other self-help activity.

So we could all be FIRED if we reject the companies final offer? How does this help us?

Here's a flow chart in case anyone was ineterested:

http://www.nmb.gov/publicinfo/collbarg2.pdf


Here's some more food for though:

APPLICATIONS FOR MEDIATION

7. Q: What happens if the parties cannot reach an agreement in direct negotiations?
A: If either party believes an agreement cannot be reached in direct negotiations, that party can apply for mediation with the NMB. Upon application, the NMB will docket the application and assign a mediator to the case.

8. Q: Can the parties file a joint mediation application?
A: Yes, parties may file jointly with the NMB for mediation services.

9. Q: Do both parties have to sign the application for mediation?
A: No, only the party applying for mediation services must sign the application. The signature must be from the highest authority in the organization, i.e., an officer of either the Union or the Company. If the parties file jointly, then both parties must sign the application.

10. Q: Where do we get the mediation application?
A: Applications for mediation may be obtained through the NMB web site or from the Director of Mediation office at the NMB. (www.nmb.gov/mediation/mapply.html)

11. Q: What happens after the application is received by the NMB?
A: The application is first reviewed to ensure that it is completed properly and appropriately, and if so, the case is then docketed.
http://www.nmb.gov/mediation/faq-mediation.html

So, if memory serves me correctly, we DID get some mediators to come in, and they helped us get a TA to vote on. We of corse turned it down. So now can't we take the next step in section 6? Is this where we think we have a case in the DFR?

Here's your answer:

20. Q: What is a "proffer of arbitration"?
A: When the NMB believes that further mediation efforts will not result in an agreement, it issues a proffer of arbitration, which is an offer to the parties to arbitrate any remaining issues.

Why hasn't the union done this yet? With all the rhetoric they've been spewing out, they say it will be impossible to negotiate, bla bla bla....
I say it's time to start the section 6!
If we were to begin negotiations next week, or whenever, we can request mediation. Then we play hard ball, don't accept any crap agreements, say we want arbitration, and begin the cooling off period!

 

[rat tales]

I'll get it goin again. Here are some of my original questions:

I did some research on the 30-day cooling off period and this is what I found:






So we could all be FIRED if we reject the companies final offer? How does this help us?

Here's a flow chart in case anyone was ineterested:

http://www.nmb.gov/publicinfo/collbarg2.pdf


Here's some more food for though:





So, if memory serves me correctly, we DID get some mediators to come in, and they helped us get a TA to vote on. We of corse turned it down. So now can't we take the next step in section 6? Is this where we think we have a case in the DFR?

Here's your answer:





Why hasn't the union done this yet? With all the rhetoric they've been spewing out, they say it will be impossible to negotiate, bla bla bla....
I say it's time to start the section 6!
If we were to begin negotiations next week, or whenever, we can request mediation. Then we play hard ball, don't accept any crap agreements, say we want arbitration, and begin the cooling off period!

Chill,

Keep things in perspective. A 30 day cooling off period is only triggered if we were in Section 6 negotiations. We are in the middle of a transition agreement. The services of the Mediation Board have not been requested. The process we are going through is with the mutual agreement of the company and the union.
If we don't like the outcome of the agreement, we can elect to wait for traditional negotiations. If the west is fortunate enough to open their contract in Section 6 now, they could then get to the 30 day cooling off period faster than the east. The east still has about 1 year and nine months to wait for traditional negotiations.
A mediator and an arbitrator are two different entities.

 

[Hey.. Chill Out]

Right, but I thought we already had a mediator when we got the first TA offer. I wonder if we can tell them "hey, it didn't work out," and then start the section 6 games.

It seems as if both parties are trying to avoid this when we should be pursuing this because we can't agree on anything.

We need an arbitrator.

 

[NYGiantsFan90]

You have nothing to arbitrate, why would you need one?

You must mean a mediator.