IAM Fleet Service Thread

[JoeDirt]

I don't even have a clue of what stage in negotiations we are in lately, or are we in any? Are we in a holding pattern? Are we going back to the negotiating table anytime soon? Tell me something! I need a hit of some kind of news, not spec. We hear nothing here in the small stations

There are talks scheduled for Apr 1, 2, and 3.

 

[Harry Callahan]

According to the IAM website talks will start again in PHX 31Mar-04Apr.
www.iam141.org

 

[doing it on my knees]

Thanks guys for the update. does it still look bad for us? I mean as far as coming to an agreement.

 

[JoeDirt]

Thanks guys for the update. does it still look bad for us? I mean as far as coming to an agreement.

From what I am hearing around CLT if we are offered a T/A that mirrors the offer that M&R recieved there is a chance of it passing.

 

[perserverance]

You have to wonder who asked to resume talks ? If we all remember the company along
with the IAM said in September that if the TA was not accepted that talks would not resume
until 09', at the end of our current agreement and since then the IAM and company have met
twice and headed to a third.

I ask all involved to ask yourselves who needs this TA more ? The West should have started
section 6 negotiations long ago and the East is headed to its' final year and a half of thier current
agreement. Parker and others have insured themselves in the event of a CIC and in all the companys'
proposals they ask for that language to be removed from our agreement along with profit sharing.
So what is the company going to offer now ? Remember $3,000,000,000 in cash reserve from a
once bankrupt airline. All made from the hits we took to keep the company and our jobs going. Now
we look for thanks and instead we get asked to relinguish our investments in the profits along with
the security that in the event of a merger we would lose any CIC security.

I am fully aware of the sacrifices we all made and continue to make, no ones' burden sits' heavier
than anothers'. We must make sure and I can't over state this, when and if a proposal is brought
back before us for a vote. We must make sure the beatings we have taken and continue to take are
worth that for which we would settle. We should not rush to a YES just to relieve our pain for the
moement. We should talk and walk our way to a TA to relieve our pain for awhile. I wish us all the
best and lets keep our ears open and our eyes wide. Do not be lulled into a false security. This company has not given us one reason to trust them and worse yet this union hasn't either.


Thanks

 

[pjirish317]

Is there any way we can figure out the dollar amount of what we stand to lose/gain? What is the CIC worth? What is profit sharing worth? What is the two or three year extension worth. I think once we have an idea on that, we can judge what should be fair in return. Just my opinion though.

 

[orioleman]

perv,
"You have to wonder who asked to resume talks ? If we all remember the company along
with the IAM said in September that if the TA was not accepted that talks would not resume
until 09', at the end of our current agreement and since then the IAM and company have met
twice and headed to a third."


glad you popped in . haven't heard from yea in a while. Nice post . dead on. totally agree with who needs it worse
the company won't even talk to us to for almost 2yrs . and now 3 times in 4 months . THAT TELLS YOU SOMETHING

Also I remember Dougie stating in the the AZ newspapers that . He would run this company with separate contracts for as LOOOONNG

as he could well I GUESS that time has run out and its time to pay your tab.. Of course 2 yrs ago the merger mania wasn't going on
so DOUG could CARE LESS about his employee groups. But Presto wham now he can activate his GOLDEN PARACHUTE and runoff
into the desert with all his millions like all our previous CEO, he sees and urgency to get everything rapped up.

I SAY SCREW YOU DOUG AND YOUR COLLEGE CRONIES..........

 

[Tim Nelson]

Is there any way we can figure out the dollar amount of what we stand to lose/gain? What is the CIC worth? What is profit sharing worth? What is the two or three year extension worth. I think once we have an idea on that, we can judge what should be fair in return. Just my opinion though.

Negotiating off of industry standards is the key. Also, since the network of solidarity forced Hemenway to throw down another card on the table for all to see, you use that knowledge of what he said was affordable raises and benefit enhancements for mechanics and you use that as the bare minimum. Now, fair has a raised bar. We need pension enhancements, better scope, shift differ, wage increases with at least the same future wage increases as Hemenway found affordable to our mechanics, extra extra. Other airline workers get it, and now our mechanics do also. Ramp rats expect it to and our network of solidarity will demand and accept no less.

Bottom line is the company won't sign on without getting PS, CIC, extension of term. The CIC is significant so I understand your concern. It's worth $21.43 and up to $26 in a couple years. But it only applies to the east. IMO, if a fair deal is doable then the CIC should be given up in order to get all into one contract and to spread the contract enhancements over more benefits as opposed to just wage alone. Nonetheless, $20 is minimum with 3% raises over the next 5 years, not 2%. Hemenway is also bent on getting those 19 stations since Canale has appeased him before.
I'm not convinced we need to give 19 stations up. Does the company have customer service workers in those stations? I also think the company has customer service workers in many east stations but has the ramp contracted out. I think ramp rats should also be at those stations and instead of negotiating on Hemenway's terms of losing stations, we should rather be negotiating on terms to bring back fleet service at the contracted out stations where the company has been affording other work groups to continue working at. Any station that has our own customer service workers should also have ramp workers. Are they better than ramp rats? Of course not.

My position is that we keep all stations that we have and we ask for more stations instead of negotiating off of Hemenway's model. I'm miffed at why our own negotiators didn't propose a scope enhancement and ask for more stations as opposed to putting out a proposal that contracts out another 1/3 of our stations. WTF? I thought all unions ask for more scope when negotiating outside of bankruptcy? I would have met Hemenway's request for less stations with a proposal to get fleet service in the outsourced stations where Hemenway has been affording company customer service workers. How many east stations do we have customer service but no ramp rats? Why is that?

At the absolute minimum, grandfather rights offering full contract protections with no 'drop dead' date, to the human beings that work in those 19 stations should be agreed to.

regards,
Tim Nelson
IAM Local Chairman, 1487, Chicago

 

[700UW]

You cant put a real dollar value on the PS, if US loses money it is worth nothing.

 

[diogenes]

Actually, you can, and in much the same way 'parity' was arrived at back in the day.

Aggregate historical profits, competitors' profits, etc. and arrive at a reasonable number.


With regards to CWA/IAM in east field stations, it is indeed true that CWA agents work them while their IAM brothers remain on furlough.

 

[700UW]

And in the past 10 years how many years has US made a profit?

Fuel being volatile you cant predict what will happen.

And profits are from US are solely US, you cant compare them to other airlines as every other legacy is larger than US compete against are real airlines while US is just greyhound in the sky.

 

[PayParity]

perv,
"You have to wonder who asked to resume talks ? If we all remember the company along
with the IAM said in September that if the TA was not accepted that talks would not resume
until 09', at the end of our current agreement and since then the IAM and company have met
twice and headed to a third."


glad you popped in . haven't heard from yea in a while. Nice post . dead on. totally agree with who needs it worse
the company won't even talk to us to for almost 2yrs . and now 3 times in 4 months . THAT TELLS YOU SOMETHING

Why would he "need" it. CBA's don't expire they become amendable. AWA had and still has an amendable CBA even beore the buyout/merger. What I don't understand is why didn't AWA file for BK before the buyout/merger.