IAM Fleet Service topic 28June-

[orioleman]

I am NOT creamhorn or jester. I will PM you my cell phone number and you can call me if you so wish.

I never preached about signing the agreement and, in fact, voted NO.

You are wrong about CMH. The majority of the rampers were former east. The most senior is a former Allegheny guy ( a super great person) who started in 1972. There are very senior guys who were formerly from Piedmont at DAY. Another hailed from PSA. It's a very senior station and and the full-timers have topped out on pay long ago. Many of these guys are taking retirement now. Some of these old guys have been ravaged by years of toil on the ramp and can hardly walk.

As an aside, ALL of these very senior east guys voted for the agreement with the belief that they would be protected from outsourcing until 2012...

28L,
my apologizes you misuderstood post . I was referring to Jester.. I was just asking you for some info on
CMH.. Sorry about that.

 

[orioleman]

O-man,

One month I am Management, next month I am Cream Horn... it would appear that I am being demoted in stature. I was hoping to be Doug Parker or even Ed Beauvais at this point, but instead I am going the way of Larry LeSueur... egads!

Now as I need to correct My Dear Friend, Mr. Roabilly, when he practices intellectual dishonesty, especially as it relates his objections to the ratified T.A., so must you be called to task. Kindly sir, please cite me anywhere on this message board where YOU and any other objectors to the T.A. cited the LANGUAGE of the contract being weak as it relates to the attendance, station subcontracting, or other matters. Point of fact, the objectors to the T.A. cited the lack of pay increases mostly. The "protections" of stations in the TWU CBA was misleading as it did not prevent flights from being reduced and furloughs ensuing.

Now it would appear that the CBA language is weak, and now many are questioning management's carte blanche writing of attendance and the ability for management to contract out stations before 2012. Let's be honest between us girls, O-man... if the T.A. offered $35/hour topped-out pay, you would have jumped on that like a chicken on a june bug, and STILL had the same vague language! So spare me your intellectual dishonesty about how you "warned" everyone because the issues you raised then has NOTHING to do with the problems now... CMH would still be "Jetstreamed" and the Attendance Policy would still be thinning the ranks.

Allow me to repeat myself from prior discussions... so long as we continue to have the same uneducated Executive Committee and the same inept legal counsel which allowed the weak CBA language in the first place, it does not matter who is in charge of the IAM, because management will continue to beat us in the courts and arbitration. It is "Amateur Hour" at the IAM while we attempt to battle against sophisticated, educated, experienced and successful professionals. So there's the cold shower reality I bring to you... now go back to chugging beer, eating brats, back slapping, electing each other while eschewing an intelligent alternative to our morass of failure.

So Tasks Jester.

P.S. I guess 28L confirmed what I said that CMH was mostly an East station... you don't need to apologize.

Jester,
with the change over to the New improved "Airline Forums" you can go back past I believe 09.. But I did speak LOUD and CLEAR about the Language and the THROWING UNDER THE BUS of stations. Your argument was and I quote . " I would rather have a raise so my UNEMPLOYMENT CHECK will be MORE".
as far as 28l being correct. Absolutely thats why I yielded to him since I don't know the Demographics of CMH. as far as an apology . Not going to happen . As far as your contempt for the E-board. Give it a rest
what's done is done and ONCE again you came up on the short end of the stick. I bet you didn't even VOTE so put a lid on it.

 

[Cream Horn Pastry]

I leave the country for a month and the hole place goes to hell. my unemployment to be cut off with no extensive. my job protections at LAS have no real protection with new east guys coming in who werent furlough. CMH gets cut and they got choice picks. I wish my options had ORD DEN CLT DFW MSY. I read thru all these messeges and people are wrong. Some LAS went to CLT but as part time like R.L. and Jojo I think. No full time CLT openings. Other places like DEN had one guy S.G. and he had 10 years I think. E.D. and J.Y. got BWI and had 10 years. we got crapped on with only DCA and PHL. I think Butch got EWR which is worse. Jester is right this is all about east getting what tthey want and F west. Now I need to find work anothr city b/c LAS no has protections b/c IAM sucks. I heard southwest is hiring in LAS so that's where I need to look and go TWU!

CHP

 

[The Janitor]

Hey Roa
Yes I have to agree with you on that. And I will gladly leave the responding to Mr. Jester to you, when it comes to going back and forth on certain issues. I just like the members that read this to have correct information. (good or bad). Blaming the current leadership for any part of our contract is just bull. But full speed ahead my friend with you and Mr. Jester. I enjoy the read.

It may be fair to blame current leadership if he/sh was not given the particulars about the contract like CLT, and PHL were. Remember, the current PHX leadership was also current back then so perhaps that's who he means if we are to make logical sense out of his/her rants.

The most likely scenerio is that his very own Local Committee and very own negotiator didn't share with him all the contract particulars. The troubling thing with the PHX committee is that they only tell the membership what it wants them to know. For this, the station has paid a terrible price of ignorance and has indeed isolated itself.

Moving forward, we all know the District will be selecting elected persons to serve on the negotiations team and to also serve on key committees for the convention. I would suspect that we (PHL) positioned ourselves to take a leadership role since we have worked with the District leadership in changing the union for the betterment of the members. I wouldn't be the least surprised if we also get another AGC spot before PHX gets one since the PHX leadership gets clouded up in piss and moan activity. PIT & CLT has two AGC's and so should PHL. To the District I say, PHX can be PHX and continue to piss and moan and think it will get them something. We need another AGC from PHL and we will work with the District instead of being the constant complainer that PHX is.

I would also suspect that various other 'suitable' stations will have a seat at negotiations. If we look at the United Airline negotiations committee we will discover that a sample size of each kind of station is most appropriate. In any case, I would hope that the selection process includes likeminded persons and leaves out all the piss and moaners who are nothing more than discontents because the membership threw their MF ticket in the garbage.

 

[robbedagain]

I leave the country for a month and the hole place goes to hell. my unemployment to be cut off with no extensive. my job protections at LAS have no real protection with new east guys coming in who werent furlough. CMH gets cut and they got choice picks. I wish my options had ORD DEN CLT DFW MSY. I read thru all these messeges and people are wrong. Some LAS went to CLT but as part time like R.L. and Jojo I think. No full time CLT openings. Other places like DEN had one guy S.G. and he had 10 years I think. E.D. and J.Y. got BWI and had 10 years. we got crapped on with only DCA and PHL. I think Butch got EWR which is worse. Jester is right this is all about east getting what tthey want and F west. Now I need to find work anothr city b/c LAS no has protections b/c IAM sucks. I heard southwest is hiring in LAS so that's where I need to look and go TWU!

CHP

the only two people BWI got were two women, onehired in 99 and one hired in 2000 one of them desperately wants to go to CLT but Iam not aware if there any opening at this time. Also the other one went open time and she loves it. If Jester was right about the East getting what they want, I promise that this contract would have never gone thru.

 

[28L_or_10R?]

I leave the country for a month and the hole place goes to hell. my unemployment to be cut off with no extensive. my job protections at LAS have no real protection with new east guys coming in who werent furlough. CMH gets cut and they got choice picks. I wish my options had ORD DEN CLT DFW MSY. I read thru all these messeges and people are wrong. Some LAS went to CLT but as part time like R.L. and Jojo I think. No full time CLT openings. Other places like DEN had one guy S.G. and he had 10 years I think. E.D. and J.Y. got BWI and had 10 years. we got crapped on with only DCA and PHL. I think Butch got EWR which is worse. Jester is right this is all about east getting what tthey want and F west. Now I need to find work anothr city b/c LAS no has protections b/c IAM sucks. I heard southwest is hiring in LAS so that's where I need to look and go TWU!

CHP

We have several guys at our station that were on furlough from LAS. This station wasn't on the list but they ended up here as they had the good sense to put down cities that weren't on the list. Instead of living on the dole and visiting different continents, they set about getting back to gainful employment. Folks who left LAS and ended up in PHL have found that it is not bad and they are getting plenty of overtime.

 

[cltrat]

I leave the country for a month and the hole place goes to hell. my unemployment to be cut off with no extensive. my job protections at LAS have no real protection with new east guys coming in who werent furlough. CMH gets cut and they got choice picks. I wish my options had ORD DEN CLT DFW MSY. I read thru all these messeges and people are wrong. Some LAS went to CLT but as part time like R.L. and Jojo I think. No full time CLT openings.

CHP

that is simply not true I work with a guy from LAS who is full time

 

[libertybell]

Folks who left LAS and ended up in PHL have found that it is not bad and they are getting plenty of overtime.

This is very true.....you wanna work OT you can get it

 

[Harry Callahan]

that is simply not true I work with a guy from LAS who is full time

So do I.

 

[The Janitor]

I leave the country for a month and the hole place goes to hell. my unemployment to be cut off with no extensive. my job protections at LAS have no real protection with new east guys coming in who werent furlough. CMH gets cut and they got choice picks. I wish my options had ORD DEN CLT DFW MSY. I read thru all these messeges and people are wrong. Some LAS went to CLT but as part time like R.L. and Jojo I think. No full time CLT openings. Other places like DEN had one guy S.G. and he had 10 years I think. E.D. and J.Y. got BWI and had 10 years. we got crapped on with only DCA and PHL. I think Butch got EWR which is worse. Jester is right this is all about east getting what tthey want and F west. Now I need to find work anothr city b/c LAS no has protections b/c IAM sucks. I heard southwest is hiring in LAS so that's where I need to look and go TWU!

CHP

you are either completely misinformed or intentionally spreading deceit.

 

[28L_or_10R?]

you are either completely misinformed or intentionally spreading deceit.

Most, if not all, of the guys at LAS never even bothered to peruse the contract. You'd think that with the notice of furloughs that they would have read the appropriate section regarding furloughs and transfers.
Instead, they relied on the word of the breakroom lawyers, and even then, they just picked out what they wanted to hear. For example, they were under the belief that they could just bump out junior people in PHX. Imagine the disappointment when they learned the real mechanics of bumping.

This is a case of being misinformed.

What chokes my goat is that creamhorn was using the taxpayer's money to go to far-away exotic lands instead of searching for gainful employment. That is what unemployment benefits are for, aren't they?

 

[necigrad]

Most, if not all, of the guys at LAS never even bothered to peruse the contract. You'd think that with the notice of furloughs that they would have read the appropriate section regarding furloughs and transfers.

Instead, they relied on the word of the breakroom lawyers, and even then, they just picked out what they wanted to hear. For example, they were under the belief that they could just bump out junior people in PHX. Imagine the disappointment when they learned the real mechanics of bumping.

Yup. I do have to say though, that the confusion, in part, was because of assumptions on many persons parts that were accepted as Gospel truth.

 

[Cream Horn Pastry]

Yup. I do have to say though, that the confusion, in part, was because of assumptions on many persons parts that were accepted as Gospel truth.

M.M. said it was ok b/c there would be bumping. i told peole dont believe what the union is telling you b/c they make the rules as they go.

Some of you are mad b/c of my time out of the states. Too bad. I should look for another job when vegas has 14% unemployed and pay rent? I sould take a job that pays less then what unemployment pays? Allegiant air was hiring and non union would you approove then and pays less then unemploymnt pays?

You all misinformed b/c furlowgh people didnt go to CLT as full time but part time. so ask them. Or they transfered in from other stations after. The two BWI from LAS women both wanteed to go to CLT but they were full time already. I was there in LAS and you werent. almost all full time went to PHL and DCA and one to EWR DEN FLL. Didnt have 10 years then it were PHL and DCA. ask red sox neci if you think im lying. CMH got there way b/c they are east and LAS got crap. hi rent, cold bad attitudes and dirty cities, no way going to PHL or DCA! Give me DFW RDU or CLT and I go or i take long vacation.

CHP

 

[The Janitor]

M.M. said it was ok b/c there would be bumping. i told peole dont believe what the union is telling you b/c they make the rules as they go.

Some of you are mad b/c of my time out of the states. Too bad. I should look for another job when vegas has 14% unemployed and pay rent? I sould take a job that pays less then what unemployment pays? Allegiant air was hiring and non union would you approove then and pays less then unemploymnt pays?

You all misinformed b/c furlowgh people didnt go to CLT as full time but part time. so ask them. Or they transfered in from other stations after. The two BWI from LAS women both wanteed to go to CLT but they were full time already. I was there in LAS and you werent. almost all full time went to PHL and DCA and one to EWR DEN FLL. Didnt have 10 years then it were PHL and DCA. ask red sox neci if you think im lying. CMH got there way b/c they are east and LAS got crap. hi rent, cold bad attitudes and dirty cities, no way going to PHL or DCA! Give me DFW RDU or CLT and I go or i take long vacation.

CHP

The union gets to make things up as they go????

I think any union would love if that were true. Unfortunately, a contract prevents it. Nonetheless, blame it on the union since there is no stopping your hate.

 

[pjirish317]

M.M. said it was ok b/c there would be bumping. i told peole dont believe what the union is telling you b/c they make the rules as they go.

Some of you are mad b/c of my time out of the states. Too bad. I should look for another job when vegas has 14% unemployed and pay rent? I sould take a job that pays less then what unemployment pays? Allegiant air was hiring and non union would you approove then and pays less then unemploymnt pays?

You all misinformed b/c furlowgh people didnt go to CLT as full time but part time. so ask them. Or they transfered in from other stations after. The two BWI from LAS women both wanteed to go to CLT but they were full time already. I was there in LAS and you werent. almost all full time went to PHL and DCA and one to EWR DEN FLL. Didnt have 10 years then it were PHL and DCA. ask red sox neci if you think im lying. CMH got there way b/c they are east and LAS got crap. hi rent, cold bad attitudes and dirty cities, no way going to PHL or DCA! Give me DFW RDU or CLT and I go or i take long vacation.

CHP

CHP,

Did you ever think that at the time when furloughs were happening in LAS, that there were no openings in CLT. The company decides what the staffing is, NOT THE IAM! As far as bumping goes, you start from the bottom of the seniority list SYSTEMWIDE, and you can only displace part-timers in your station only. Read Article 9. It explains it all. Either you guys out there didn't listen when things were explained to you, or you just heard what you wanted to hear. Now you cry foul, please. I bet if you put in for DFW, CLT or RDU you might just get your xfer now. Look at it this was, LAS got what the company had at the time, now CMH is getting what the company has at this time. Understand?