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Hey Cream Horn...

I want you to get a copy of the FSA and read it carefully... especially the sections cited by PJ Irish. Next... I want you to investigate the historical evolution of the current agreement from it’s inception to ratification. Next... I want you to look long and hard the cartoon I’m posting... then look in the mirror!

Continuing to blame the present IAM leadership for your predicament is absurd. Your EAST favoritism innuendos are obviously way off base.. and I have to question your motives for posting them.

I have personally fought favoritism for decades, and I can assure you... this Union is now as “fair” as I have ever seen it!
 
M.M. said it was ok b/c there would be bumping. i told peole dont believe what the union is telling you b/c they make the rules as they go.

Some of you are mad b/c of my time out of the states. Too bad. I should look for another job when vegas has 14% unemployed and pay rent? I sould take a job that pays less then what unemployment pays? Allegiant air was hiring and non union would you approove then and pays less then unemploymnt pays?

You all misinformed b/c furlowgh people didnt go to CLT as full time but part time. so ask them. Or they transfered in from other stations after. The two BWI from LAS women both wanteed to go to CLT but they were full time already. I was there in LAS and you werent. almost all full time went to PHL and DCA and one to EWR DEN FLL. Didnt have 10 years then it were PHL and DCA. ask red sox neci if you think im lying. CMH got there way b/c they are east and LAS got crap. hi rent, cold bad attitudes and dirty cities, no way going to PHL or DCA! Give me DFW RDU or CLT and I go or i take long vacation.

CHP

MM said there would be bumping... Did anyone bother to read the contract? That's the first thing I did when I got a furlough package at my last station. I became the expert as I read Article 9 front and back. Doesn't anyone remember pjirish and myself explaining how this all works after you folks got your packages?

Yes, your extensive travel to Bangkok or wherever disturbs me. You could have used your unemployment for what it is meant. We have several guys in our station that were furloughed - and on unemployment - that were called when we had positions open. They didn't use their unemployment on hookers in Thailand or whatever. You could have been here at our station by now. You could be purchasing goods and services and paying taxes. Some kids pull the wagon, other kids ride in the wagon.

CMH did not get CLT and other cities because they are east. In fact, several guys there that are former west got CLT. One former westie got ft at DFW.
 
Hey Cream Horn...

I want you to get a copy of the FSA and read it carefully... especially the sections cited by PJ Irish. Next... I want you to investigate the historical evolution of the current agreement from it’s inception to ratification. Next... I want you to look long and hard the cartoon I’m posting... then look in the mirror!

Continuing to blame the present IAM leadership for your predicament is absurd. Your EAST favoritism innuendos are obviously way off base.. and I have to question your motives for posting them.

I have personally fought favoritism for decades, and I can assure you... this Union is now as “fair” as I have ever seen it!


Roa,
Some folks just have a short memory I for one remember how bad it was before Aug 08 and i have to agree with you 100 percent this union is now as fair as I have ever seen it.

Love the cartoon!

RT
 
Hey Cream Horn...

I want you to get a copy of the FSA and read it carefully... especially the sections cited by PJ Irish. Next... I want you to investigate the historical evolution of the current agreement from it’s inception to ratification. Next... I want you to look long and hard the cartoon I’m posting... then look in the mirror!

Continuing to blame the present IAM leadership for your predicament is absurd. Your EAST favoritism innuendos are obviously way off base.. and I have to question your motives for posting them.

I have personally fought favoritism for decades, and I can assure you... this Union is now as “fair” as I have ever seen it!
Great Toon!

The thing that I wrestle with is, Are there so many dopes from PHX who continue to hate on the east or are there just a few with many handles??? Sheesh, whether it is the PHX leadership burying and alienating the station further with their constant complaining about the union or the other members in PHX griping and pissing about the union, one thing is clear, PHX is a 'fully blown' lost puppy.
 
Great Toon!

The thing that I wrestle with is, Are there so many dopes from PHX who continue to hate on the east or are there just a few with many handles??? Sheesh, whether it is the PHX leadership burying and alienating the station further with their constant complaining about the union or the other members in PHX griping and pissing about the union, one thing is clear, PHX is a 'fully blown' lost puppy.

I hear yahh Janitor...

If I were a bettin’ man... the “many handles” argument would be my position!

In addition... I would go as far as to assume that at least 50% of these posters are not dues paying IAM members in good standing.

My only hope would be that several posters or readers are legitimate members... and hopefully... they will take some of this information back to the shop.


So... confirms the coordinates...

BroBilly
 
Yes, your extensive travel to Bangkok or wherever disturbs me. You could have used your unemployment for what it is meant. We have several guys in our station that were furloughed - and on unemployment - that were called when we had positions open. They didn't use their unemployment on hookers in Thailand or whatever. You could have been here at our station by now. You could be purchasing goods and services and paying taxes.

I'm not trying to take sides here, but whatever cream horn pastry does with unemployment money is no ones business but cream horn. If cream horn is enjoying the time off and unemployment checks, so be it! In the end no one has to answer for those actions but cream horn. Don't hate.

Rogue
 
MM said there would be bumping... Did anyone bother to read the contract? That's the first thing I did when I got a furlough package at my last station. I became the expert as I read Article 9 front and back. Doesn't anyone remember pjirish and myself explaining how this all works after you folks got your packages?

Yes, your extensive travel to Bangkok or wherever disturbs me. You could have used your unemployment for what it is meant. We have several guys in our station that were furloughed - and on unemployment - that were called when we had positions open. They didn't use their unemployment on hookers in Thailand or whatever. You could have been here at our station by now. You could be purchasing goods and services and paying taxes. Some kids pull the wagon, other kids ride in the wagon.

CMH did not get CLT and other cities because they are east. In fact, several guys there that are former west got CLT. One former westie got ft at DFW.

In fairness to CHP, the issue of what the contract said and how it was to be interpretated was discussed at length in this forum, and I could comfortably suggest it was a gray area based upon the number of open positions in the system which would institute bumping. As it has been awhile so I do not recall the exact numbers, but there were something like 140 FT positions being furloughed and I think something around 70 open FT positions. One could make the argument that there are not enough open positions as the contract does NOT say that those open positions must be filled first. Of course, as we know now, that is how the contract was read. CHP (and I am told others) did what they should have done which was to ask questions of their union reps, and it would appear they did get bad advice. Personally, I told CHP to put-in for every station he would be remotely interested as a CYA. He was not interested in PHL and DCA which was a matter of preference, thus he received nothing. I feel as if was an East station being downsized then the other interpretation would have been the rule and there would have been bumping as if we had taken the Hot Tub Time Machine back to the golden age of disco.

Now back to my hypothesis in which some posters seem in an obvious attempt to obfuscate my salient points... the IAM (past and present) have an "understanding" with the Tempe Boys for which they share complimentary objectives and the West be damned. The East controlled IAM gets preferential treatment of their East brethren and the Company wants a smooth running ramp, and the West... sucks to be them!

Before I get the obligatory, "If-the-IAM-was-as-powerful-as-you-suggest-then-we-wouldn't-have-this-contract" comment, I would suggest that past IAM leadership wanted this deal, thus my hypothesis still stands. Or before I get the bromide, "If-the-IAM-was-that-powerful-we-wouldn't-have-this-Attendance-Policy" post, I would ask why was West working under Work Brain while East was just signing their names to a sheet of paper and fudging the start times? It hardly seems fair to go back retroactively on West with the computerized clock while the East could avoid ever being late... but it is the West who are getting hammered so c'est la vie and my hypothesis is still valid.

So here CMH gets the axe, and as if some serendipity of IAM and the Tempe Boys, full-time shifts in CLT like manna from Heaven grace onto the open bid lines for the high seniority Easties. No Filthadelphia or DCrap for you, but only the best for which the East brethren and management can muster in a mutual back scratching arrangement. To my West friends remember the adage, "If you don't know who is the patsy at the poker table, then it is you," because the game is rigged with the Easties in full command.

So Deals Jester.
 
Everyone isn't able to or doesn't want to pack up and move to another city to stay employed. Sometimes it just isn't feasible. Most have a lifestyle, kids, home, friends, & bills that do not let them just pack up and leave. Some would rather just ride out the storm where they feel comfortable. Not in some strange land where they now have bills to pay where they are and where they just left. DOUBLE JEOPARDY! And the iam and US don't give a damn!

Rogue
 
Hey Cream Horn...

I want you to get a copy of the FSA and read it carefully... especially the sections cited by PJ Irish. Next... I want you to investigate the historical evolution of the current agreement from it’s inception to ratification. Next... I want you to look long and hard the cartoon I’m posting... then look in the mirror!

Continuing to blame the present IAM leadership for your predicament is absurd. Your EAST favoritism innuendos are obviously way off base.. and I have to question your motives for posting them.

I have personally fought favoritism for decades, and I can assure you... this Union is now as “fair” as I have ever seen it!
I Guess favortism was involved when an AGC was able to to open nearly 40 openings for TUS agents to go to PHX as well as nearly the same number of Lead openings for the furloughed LAS agents? Lets all knock off the East West BS and maybe we can focus on real issues like supplying Kleenex tissue to some of the posters who constantly CRY and are more apt to be Managers than Unionists? Hey Just an Opinion? So requests GF
 
I believe last time I checked, that it is a west person running this airline. I thought his name was Doug Parker. All the west guys are upset because they say this west President is giving east guys the better deal. Wonder what we did to impress Mr Parker so much? Maybe again, you west guys should take some notes!!! I believe you west guys have worked under this guy longer than we have. Why does he dislike you guys so much, that he would favor all these east guys over you west guys, when you have worked in his backyard? All the shots are coming from headquarters in phx my friends. Get that? PHX!!!!
 
you are either completely misinformed or intentionally spreading deceit.

Janitor,
I do believe the jolly jester and CHP are one in the same . just bouncing different IP's around.
non the less . I would like to suggest that for you westies out there. You might want to chime in
cause . The Jesters, CHP , the Prez"s of the world seem to speak for the entire WEST GROUP and
it ain't looking good if you know what I mean.
 
I Guess favortism was involved when an AGC was able to to open nearly 40 openings for TUS agents to go to PHX as well as nearly the same number of Lead openings for the furloughed LAS agents? Lets all knock off the East West BS and maybe we can focus on real issues like supplying Kleenex tissue to some of the posters who constantly CRY and are more apt to be Managers than Unionists? Hey Just an Opinion? So requests GF

Damn GF, I wanted one of those openings in PHX... WTF.. (sniffle sniffle)

Just to give a little history lesson , Cry favoritism all you want but LOOOOOOONG before
A-WEST was ever thought of the EAST was taking it in the shorts and people were displaced. and YES
PHL BOS DCA were the only games in town. I actually did my duty in PHL and LOVED the time I was there
Great People, Great Town, SH*tty Airport. SO to the dual handler out there give it a rest your record
seems to have a skip in it. And since you seem to be the VOICE of PHX . We will be sure to explain to everyone why PHX doesn't have a voice. Maybe at the convention this year PHX and PHL Delegates can
get together and do Lunch . Since PHX seems to think the PHL crew are such bad folks maybe you can all
smoke the peace pipe. .

PJ,
about the same time LAS was downsizing. CLT was not operating the last bank 3 nights a week.
our GC was able to work with management to keep from furlough the bottom guys. SO NO there
wasn't any openings in CLT in Sep-Dec of 2009 or at least not enough to cover 70 people from LAS. there might have been 5 or 6 through attrition but that was about it.


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I believe last time I checked, that it is a west person running this airline. I thought his name was Doug Parker. All the west guys are upset because they say this west President is giving east guys the better deal. Wonder what we did to impress Mr Parker so much?

Mr. Brown,

I don't recall DP throwing bags with me... correction, I think I did see him once during the holidays many years ago plane side tossing bags on the belt loader. Do you think DP has some affinity to West fleet service agents and cares about their betterment? DP wants one thing... a smooth, profitable airline, and the East dominated IAM offers him an operational ramp, and in return, the IAM wants to call the shots in terms of their cronies for which DP does not give a crap about West ramp. This is why West gets the short of the stick whenever the IAM gets involved with decisions which affect West. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Now I need to consult with my varied online and offline personalities in order to provide additional cogent answers for your continued amusement... I once asked for a slice of crazy and I ended up eating the whole pie.

So Scatters Jester.
 
Damn GF, I wanted one of those openings in PHX... WTF.. (sniffle sniffle)

Just to give Idiot 1 and Idiot 2 a little history lesson , Cry favoritism all you want but LOOOOOOONG before
A-WEST was ever thought of the EAST was taking it in the shorts and people were displaced. and YES
PHL BOS DCA were the only games in town. I actually did my duty in PHL and LOVED the time I was there
Great People, Great Town, SH*tty Airport. SO to the dual handler out there give it a rest your record
seems to have a skip in it. And since you seem to be the VOICE of PHX . We will be sure to explain to everyone why PHX doesn't have a voice. Maybe at the convention this year PHX and PHL Delegates can
get together and do Lunch . Since PHX seems to think the PHL crew are such bad folks maybe you can all
smoke the peace pipe. .

PJ,
about the same time LAS was downsizing. CLT was not operating the last bank 3 nights a week.
our GC was able to work with management to keep from furlough the bottom guys. SO NO there
wasn't any openings in CLT in Sep-Dec of 2009 or at least not enough to cover 70 people from LAS. there might have been 5 or 6 through attrition but that was about it.
I think he is a tri handler, CJ, CHP and Management or Jstr. And the GC'S that fought for TUS and the Lead 40 plus happen to be East Fleet who don't play regional bias! Nor will they engage in non solidarity crap that only benefits Management or the Politically Challenged! SO Refutes GF
 
The IAM does not run the airline and isnt all being.

Jester you have been inhaling too much jet-a
 
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