IAM Fleet Service topic

[roabilly]

Pfft...they're barely capable of getting all the of gates and flights covered as it is, especially during transition. Having to keep track of which individuals need specialized vindictive treatment on which shifts is secondary to having enough bodies on certain gates at certain times, not to mention how often flights change gates. I do my job right and I do it well, if they want to mess with that then they're making their own problems. :angry:

So let's say I see one of our dapper and nicely-dressed managers trying to "help" by doing work they're contractually forbidden to do; it sticks in my craw and I wish to grieve it. What specific steps do I take to get a grievance filed? Am I correct in assuming I'm allowed to grieve every specific incident I witness? And out of curiosity, about how many grievances related to this issue were filed in 2010 in PHX? :huh:

I’m convinced that there is a perimeter ring approximately 30 miles from the center of PHX that encircles the entire outer edges of the city.

When on the outside… you are in the reality zone… when on the inside… there is a strange time distortion… or perhaps another parallel dimension of some kind! There has to be some sort of a Kool-Aid zone or something inside there!

First… WHO is your Grievance Committee Chair? WHERE is your Grievance Committee?
Do they have Standard Grievance Forms? Are you familiar with the Grievance Procedure (Article 20)?

Things like protecting work through scope grievances used to occur almost daily in CLT. After multiple grievances were filed, won, and eventually awarded… this is now a rare occurrence. First… it costs the company money… and second... most Managers really don’t want to get their hands dirty… both figuratively and literally!

Jockey… you seem to be a relatively intelligent, well read, and literate man. R-E-A-D and understand your contract and the Grievance procedure it contains. I have a very difficult time believing you guys are this naïve.

Is this some kind of JOKE?

 

[P. REZ]

Pfft...they're barely capable of getting all the of gates and flights covered as it is, especially during transition. Having to keep track of which individuals need specialized vindictive treatment on which shifts is secondary to having enough bodies on certain gates at certain times, not to mention how often flights change gates. I do my job right and I do it well, if they want to mess with that then they're making their own problems. :angry:

So let's say I see one of our dapper and nicely-dressed managers trying to "help" by doing work they're contractually forbidden to do; it sticks in my craw and I wish to grieve it. What specific steps do I take to get a grievance filed? Am I correct in assuming I'm allowed to grieve every specific incident I witness? And out of curiosity, about how many grievances related to this issue were filed in 2010 in PHX? :huh:

There are Union boards in each breakroom with pictures of the Grievance Committee and shop stewards. There is also a Union board in UDO. Find a shop steward or GC and document any contract violation and file the grievance. You can obtain a contract in UDO. PHX filed somewhere around 400 grievances in 2010 of which about 20 were related to said issue. These are rough estimates. The GC and shop stewards are against any contractual violations and as a dues paying member it is your right to file a grievance on any contractual violation. You can find me and discuss the process at any time. If we have to file a 1000 grievances in 2011 we will. I am personally involved in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd steps of the grievance process.

 

[roabilly]

There are Union boards in each breakroom with pictures of the Grievance Committee and shop stewards. There is also a Union board in UDO. Find a shop steward or GC and document any contract violation and file the grievance. You can obtain a contract in UDO. PHX filed somewhere around 400 grievances in 2010 of which about 20 were related to said issue. These are rough estimates. The GC and shop stewards are against any contractual violations and as a dues paying member it is your right to file a grievance on any contractual violation. You can find me and discuss the process at any time. If we have to file a 1000 grievances in 2011 we will. I am personally involved in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd steps of the grievance process.

Maybe there IS hope for you guys!

 

[bagchucker]

GO ahead..file all the grievances you want! The shortterm outcome just shows mgmt. that there is a problem. The longterm outcome is paperwork that seemingly gets "shuffled" around and dragged out, so that months down the road it is still not resolved. I can personally attest to that process.

BTW, this attendance policy is an atrocity! I have never heard or seen such a policy before. Who up in the ranks ok'd such a thing. Two things are glaring... 1) this is the result of the minority of people who abuse the sick policy and screw it up for the rest of us who have legitimate absences. 2) the group resonsible for putting this policy into affect is not compassionate whatsoever and likely never get sick, have car trouble, have sick family members, get snowed in...etc. no they live in a perfect world, right?!

There is also a corporate group known as "absence management" now, they get all the duties of sifting through the doctors notes and excuses, meanwhile, decent hardworking folks are getting points and levels and coming to work SICK to avoid more points and levels. NOT A GOOD ATTENDANCE POLICY. Seems grieving it has gotten us nowhere, oh yeah, grievances from last year are just making from one desk to another to be shuffled some more to be given to another desk to be shuffled. This is not a an efficient way to handle this atrocious problem. This policy only works for management, THIS DOES NOT WORK for our workgroup. This needs to go away or a least be amended to be a little less anal and restrictive. Getting into a car accident with injuries involved should not be held against someones attendance? No other company would treat such a circumstance as "its the employees fault he got into an accident and could not make it to work... Level 2 since he was on a trade that day!"

 

[Harry Callahan]

bagchucker that sucks BIG TIME. I for one want to know what is going on with this so called sick policy this union agreed to ?

 

[freedom]

1. Managment working our jobs is very rare in PHX ... I think the worst i've seen in the last several months is a sup transporting some bags from one location to another ( 3 bags ) ... sure i could have said "now hold on a second , that's our contratucal work , let me have those bags " but at the time i really didn't feel like moving ...

I know during the flex operation things were really hectic ... they couldn't get enough people to sign up for the over time so they ended up having to mando some of the low senority guys ... i actually saw planes sitting out on the line waiting to come in because there were no crews to bring them in ...in that type of situation where there aren't enough people to bring in the planes etc .. i really don't have a problem with using the supervisors for the extra man power ... remember this is AFTER everyone who wanted over time was offered it .... furthermore , i did work some of the extra flex shifts , and i didn't myself see any superviors doing any work ..


On the pension changes ....

oh well .... i agree with the other posters on here who feel that we should not ask for an increased contrubtion level from the company during the next contract talks .. I'd REALLY like to know more about where our money is invested and if the people in charge of our pension plan are COMPETENT ... seriously , we should consider terminating the current pension leadership and installing new trustee's ..but that will proably never happen , you all know how union leadership has a habit of being entrenced ... i myself tend not to care about my future , but i strongly urge all of you who do to not give up in making sure heads roll over this 40% downgrade .... i read the "nice letter" that the trusttee's sent to all of us , and it was a load .... they make this sound like it's just going to be a one time event ... like i'm going to beleive them now after they said over and over in the past how "stable " our pension plan was ...

 

[robbedagain]

the sick policy was thrown in during the 2005 agreement thanks to Randy Canale and his band of thiefs, who all later got ousted in 2008 elections. So thank Canale and his thiefs for the sick policy which is really sick. as for the next round of negogiations, Id love to see a major improvements to the scope, language, sick, etc and even profit sharing. All other groups participate in that. Freedom, is the grievance in PHX done by any one person like say a Grievance chairman? the one we have in my city suck to the point that in the last election he only had 2 or 3 votes inhis favor My grievance was filed by an AGC in anthr city and I had a hearing last week but it took 1 yr and 5 months Good luck to you in phx with it all. We wouldnt have this contract if the West and some East cities (as I was told by a union rep in my city) had voted it in

 

[john john]

i really don't have a problem with using the supervisors for the extra man power ... remember this is AFTER everyone who wanted over time was offered it .... furthermore , i did work some of the extra flex shifts , and i didn't myself see any superviors doing any work ..

The work groups need the easy hour back
You newbes would love that

 

[roabilly]

GO ahead..file all the grievances you want! The shortterm outcome just shows mgmt. that there is a problem. The longterm outcome is paperwork that seemingly gets "shuffled" around and dragged out, so that months down the road it is still not resolved. I can personally attest to that process.

The above statement indicates problems with your Committee... most of our Scope Grievances are settled @ step one or two!

The Company knows that it costs thousands of dollars to push something as weak as this to arbitration... so they opt to settle for hundreds in awarded OT instead!

They generally settle early!

So presents final arguments...

Brobilly

 

[bagchucker]

Just read that 122 Fleet Service Agents will be losing their current jobs in the latest round of reductions/furloughs/outsourcing... Not sure which cities are affected as the letter had 11 stations affected also including 54 customer service agents. The company is finally making some money again and this is the thanks we get! I am sure we will see more before the contract negotiations. Company is gonna milk that cow to death. When we start contract negotiations, MAKE SURE TO STOP THE OUTSOURCING! There won't be too many stations left. If we are gonna be a "unified" union, each and every member and the job they hold is important, so negotiate as such, and vote as such....

 

[famousfreddie]

Were you attempting to be profound? Riddle me this, NYGiantsFan... in the past few years what financial measurement in the airline industry went down faster than LT on a line of blow? That's your answer, and as such, IBT was voted in after CAL's fleet agents were handed large pay cuts and that was only a few months ago... pretty much supports what I said before.... "CAL management paid more to buy-off fleet service to avoid an union." Stop the buy-off, institute large pay cuts, and CAL fleet agents voted for an union... not that difficult to understand.


Does this conflict with what I have posted? "US Air management was buying-off fleet service to avoid an union..."


Airline Deregulation and the CAB did not create unions, per se, but rather the subsequent rents were used to keep unions off the property as much as possible. Your post supports exactly what I have been saying.


And Airline Deregulation and the CAB created rents were history by the early 1980's. Now there was competition, no guaranteed profits, accounting losses were being posted and management was looking for ways to save money. Not surprisingly, the union was eventually voted onto the property as the rent sharing days were over. Again, your post supports exactly what I have been saying.


And this conflicts with what I was posting in what way? Rent sharing was over as there were no profits, not to mention excessive profits to continue high levels of benefits and pay for people who are relatively unskilled and easy to replace. Nothing compelling within your posts to conclude otherwise for those aforementioned airline managements' actions.


Parker and the Tempe Boys get fired for non-performance... Fleet Service Agents get a pay raise on their anniversary regardless of efforts. Does Parker need a collective of CEO's to negotiate his compensation? If not for the union, you could attempt negotiate a contract for yourself, right? So what's the difference between you and Parker... "explain that one Lucy. (I all ready know the answer)"


I have known plenty of educated fools.

So Concurs Jester

Joker,
your logic is seriously flawed concerning CAB, you put forth hypothosis, that can never be elevated to theory because the facts do not substantiate your positions and Yes CEO's have a defacto collective compensation panel that leap frog each other. Perhaps rather than concur you should exfoliate.

 

[famousfreddie]

Just read that 122 Fleet Service Agents will be losing their current jobs in the latest round of reductions/furloughs/outsourcing... Not sure which cities are affected as the letter had 11 stations affected also including 54 customer service agents. The company is finally making some money again and this is the thanks we get! I am sure we will see more before the contract negotiations. Company is gonna milk that cow to death. When we start contract negotiations, MAKE SURE TO STOP THE OUTSOURCING! There won't be too many stations left. If we are gonna be a "unified" union, each and every member and the job they hold is important, so negotiate as such, and vote as such....

I agree contracting out has to cease with the next section 6 negotiations. We were bamboozelled by corhole and his crew and some of us were blinded by a few peices of silver. Hopefully the infighting is a thing of the past and we can move on in to future in solidarity and listen to each other. The ND will bring us home a contract to be proud of, and uniformly ratify.

 

[Kev3188]

Just read that 122 Fleet Service Agents will be losing their current jobs in the latest round of reductions/furloughs/outsourcing... Not sure which cities are affected as the letter had 11 stations affected also including 54 customer service agents. The company is finally making some money again and this is the thanks we get! I am sure we will see more before the contract negotiations. Company is gonna milk that cow to death. When we start contract negotiations, MAKE SURE TO STOP THE OUTSOURCING! There won't be too many stations left. If we are gonna be a "unified" union, each and every member and the job they hold is important, so negotiate as such, and vote as such....

Without Scope, nothing else much matters. That should be priority #1 in any Section 6 talks.

 

[Couldbewrong]

1. Managment working our jobs is very rare in PHX ... I think the worst i've seen in the last several months is a sup transporting some bags from one location to another ( 3 bags ) ... sure i could have said "now hold on a second , that's our contratucal work , let me have those bags " but at the time i really didn't feel like moving ...

I know during the flex operation things were really hectic ... they couldn't get enough people to sign up for the over time so they ended up having to mando some of the low senority guys ... i actually saw planes sitting out on the line waiting to come in because there were no crews to bring them in ...in that type of situation where there aren't enough people to bring in the planes etc .. i really don't have a problem with using the supervisors for the extra man power ... remember this is AFTER everyone who wanted over time was offered it .... furthermore , i did work some of the extra flex shifts , and i didn't myself see any superviors doing any work ..


On the pension changes ....

oh well .... i agree with the other posters on here who feel that we should not ask for an increased contrubtion level from the company during the next contract talks .. I'd REALLY like to know more about where our money is invested and if the people in charge of our pension plan are COMPETENT ... seriously , we should consider terminating the current pension leadership and installing new trustee's ..but that will proably never happen , you all know how union leadership has a habit of being entrenced ... i myself tend not to care about my future , but i strongly urge all of you who do to not give up in making sure heads roll over this 40% downgrade .... i read the "nice letter" that the trusttee's sent to all of us , and it was a load .... they make this sound like it's just going to be a one time event ... like i'm going to beleive them now after they said over and over in the past how "stable " our pension plan was ...

Freedom i do have a problem when managers do our work, its not my fault the company can not staff accordingly. We have brothers and sisters with out jobs and income. My union dollars pay for this contract like it or not, i will make sure i uphold the contract that the company agreed to period. If there are planes waiting to get in the gate, so be it, follow the c.b.a.

 

[robbedagain]

LAX, San Jose CAL, MKE, ROC, PIT and a few others in the midwest and west and northeast I believe I also think that some of them are acutual mainline express whereas mainline ramp work express flights if this outfit outsources the way they do, then its time to outsource mgmt! WE NEED SCOPE LANGUAGE and BETTER PROTECTION IN NEXT CONTRACT