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My Dearest Mister Roabilly,

As you invoked my name as your personal financial advisor, allow me this gracious opportunity.

You are essentially correct in your views about a pension vs. a 401K. You touched about something in which all 401Ks and pensions share in common... the reliance upon the various world stock markets in which the dollars are invested. Often times pensions attempt to reduce their exposure to the markets by looking for direct investments in private debt offerings or investments in privately held companies. For example, the Teamster's Central States Pension fund built much of the early days of Las Vegas casinos, and actually did reasonably well in terms of returns out-performing the stock market during that time. However, that in itself becomes part of the problem as would the investment decisions be based upon financial considerations or cronyism and kickbacks, as not all mob influenced investment choices were either sound or prudent back in the 1960's.

Allow me to digress further on the Big Picture of retirmement funding, having been an employer and manager, and an observer of people's attitudes towards savings. In a phrase... "Saving isn't sexy." Too often and too many people would not save with a 401K, even with an employer matching part of the contribution. Frankly, I think that is one of benefits of Social Security and pensions. Those retirement plans happen automatically, as they are deducted from the employees' wages or the employer makes the contributions, as well. My concern is that we could have fleet service agents who after 30 years of work and eyeing retirement would have little more than their SS check. We could argue that was their choice, but I think we all want more for those people, and ourselves. Pensions, in theory, are to be expertly managed by professionals, and unfortunately, I am certain there are a good number of fleet service agents would not be comfortable in figuring their 401K allocations, and even handling the neccessary portfolio changes to manage the risk better based upon their individual time horizons. As such, I lean more towards a pension plan due to the aforementioned reasons.

I think a better way would not make it an issue of pension vs. 401K, but rather to have better control on the pension investment decisions. As far as I know, I have not been privy to the investment portfolio of the IAMPF, so I cannot say as if the reasonings for the reduction in future retirment benefits were the result of a bad economy affecting the stock markets or suspect investment choices. I will admit that when the reduction in the pension benefit was announced approximately a year ago, I noticed what I considered to be questionable rates of returns, based upon the various employers' hourly contributions. To summarize, the more an employer paid in hourly contributions, the lower the rate of return, which seems hardly fair for those employees enjoying higher contributions earn less of a return than those with a smaller employer contribution, and the percentage difference was not small. Would not all investments from the contributions be treated the same? Or maybe the pension managers are attempting to cover mismanagement by bleeding-off some of the higher end employer contributions to the lower end employer contributions? Someone who is promised $500/month per year of service is not as likely to ask as many questions as to rate of return, than someone who is entitled to just $50/month per year of service, as both cases it was 'free money' paid by the employer and nothing out of pocket by the employee. Pay me $500/month per year of service with a pension, and I won't care to ask if it could have been invested better, and I think most people are like that.

I hope someone from our IAM leadership (Tim?) does begin to ask questions as to the pension's investment portfolio, and to explain the substantial reduction and lack of security in our pension.

So Recommends Jester.
Jester,
Your present DL eboard does not participate in asking such questions. Cripes, the mailman was more in the loop than your District leadership when you received your "Dear John" letter from those dreaded IAMPF people. The problem is that the District leadership seems up to its old tricks and at last check was dipping into the possibilities of increasing the company contribution rates since the IAM INTL Is pressuring them. They sell it on the membership by saying "It's not YOUR Money", it's the company's money. Bull Crap! Any increase in the total contractual package is the members, and I'll be gosh darn if I rob the members and take part of that increased package and dump increases in the IAMPF. It makes no sense unless the leadership yields to Roach and the IAM INTL and pull a 'Robin Hood Reverse" on the members. If it's not guaranteed, it's not to be agreed.

regards,

Tim Nelson
cell: 224-234-5414
 
Are you guys really baggage handlers? I’ve been hanging in the pilots thread, and I’ve read more intelligent conversation in just a few pages here, than I have in three months there!

This is why I am "Jester"... I am the Royal Court fool to those who to watch me mashing bags would not likely assume I am educated or intelligent, but in a Shakespearean sense, I whisper wisdom into the ears of the powerful without drawing attention to myself. From the lofty flight deck in front to the Sand Castle's terminal gate windows high and behind me, I appear to be just another "dumb ramper", and that's how I prefer to be viewed.

So Elaborates Jester.
 
Jester,
Your present DL eboard does not participate in asking such questions. Cripes, the mailman was more in the loop than your District leadership when you received your "Dear John" letter from those dreaded IAMPF people. 'Robin Hood Reverse" on the members. If it's not guaranteed, it's not to be agreed.

regards,

Tim Nelson
cell: 224-234-5414
Bait to get the contract passed and switched without a vote the question is why? You guys need answers and made whole
 
The IAMNPF is a total separate entity from the IAM, it is run by a trustee appointed from board made up of company and IAM appointed members.
 
The IAMNPF is a total separate entity from the IAM, it is run by a trustee appointed from board made up of company and IAM appointed members.
So they should vote to restore what was promise when the vote took place. Why promise one think and change it without input from the membership changing a pension plan with drastic down fall changes midstream much-less a union pension plan is not cool.IAM influence should make it right
 
I guess people dont read the plan details, the board and the trustee can make changes. Its a promise, nothing written in stone nor guaranteed.

And its not a union penison plan, its a multi-employer pension plan.
 
I guess people dont read the plan details, the board and the trustee can make changes. Its a promise, nothing written in stone nor guaranteed.

And its not a union penison plan, its a multi-employer pension plan.
the problem was that the INTL said it was guaranteed. I still have the campaign poster that they used back when the TWU was collecting cards for the merger. But you are right in that people don't read the fine details. At any rate, I often wondered the same thing Jester did about why are the fuure benefits a smaller % if the contributions get larger on the schedules?

regards,

Tim Nelson
cell: 224-234-5414
 
Wow, let's hope that oil hits the 70's and then the 60's for your company's sake. Your company will be kicking butt since it took the natural economic hedge of a recession instead of spending hundreds of millions on hedges that will be too high in a recession.

LCC is kicking Southwest butt right now and is fixing to chase Southwest to ATL also. Parker is looking like a genius, but he's long overdue on signing labor contracts. Gotta watch what happens at AMR also since you know Parker is a merger player.

regards,

Tim Nelson
 
See what I think all these Union people dont understand is the majority of the workers here are tired of all the bull s**t that comes out of these jokers mouths. This guy is great!!, no wait, it doesnt benefit me to side with him anymore, Ive changed my mind, he sux now. This person didnt do s**t, that person doesnt do s**t, I can do better. Its the same ole carnival ride just a different operator. The membership is so fed up with the political nonsense that nobody cares anymore, cept for the select few who get off on arguing just for arguments sake. You have six didgit a year people acting like little school girls. I think if everyone inviolved would stop concentrating on what thier opposition is doing and concentrate a little more on thier duties we wouldnt be in the mess we are in. Man it gets old, Canale sux, Delahney sux, this guy sux that guy sux, like a bunch of bickering old woman. (no offense to old woman) I for on can assure you that come June of 2012 my vote will go to all the names I dont recognise. couple from the new direction ticket maybe, couple from the I love money ticket maybe, couple from the wheres my new office and when do my business cards arrive ticket maybe, add a few write ins and its done. Dont promise s**t you cant produce, matter of fact dont promise us anything, people know who isnt doing anything and who isnt.
 
Have the cities that are losing the ramp, been given options of going to any city in the US system? Or are the cities available a select few as always?

Rogue.....
 
Have the cities that are losing the ramp, been given options of going to any city in the US system? Or are the cities available a select few as always?

Rogue.....
The packets, available to ALL furloughees, list the available stations. Anyone being furloughed can list any station however, including those not on the list. If a position opens up in say PHX (conspicuously absent on the bid) and someone bid for it they'd get it. This applies to EVERY station in the system (I believe domestically). Want to go to HNL where we don't have ground service? List it, you'll get it if we start.
 
See what I think all these Union people dont understand is the majority of the workers here are tired of all the bull s**t that comes out of these jokers mouths. This guy is great!!, no wait, it doesnt benefit me to side with him anymore, Ive changed my mind, he sux now. This person didnt do s**t, that person doesnt do s**t, I can do better. Its the same ole carnival ride just a different operator. The membership is so fed up with the political nonsense that nobody cares anymore, cept for the select few who get off on arguing just for arguments sake. You have six didgit a year people acting like little school girls. I think if everyone inviolved would stop concentrating on what thier opposition is doing and concentrate a little more on thier duties we wouldnt be in the mess we are in. Man it gets old, Canale sux, Delahney sux, this guy sux that guy sux, like a bunch of bickering old woman. (no offense to old woman) I for on can assure you that come June of 2012 my vote will go to all the names I dont recognise. couple from the new direction ticket maybe, couple from the I love money ticket maybe, couple from the wheres my new office and when do my business cards arrive ticket maybe, add a few write ins and its done. Dont promise s**t you cant produce, matter of fact dont promise us anything, people know who isnt doing anything and who isnt.
agreed. people know who didn't do squat. Vote for those who have actually produced AND did what they said they were going to do. And there is nothing wrong with commitments and platforms if the person isn't running their mouth and brings the commitments home just like he/she said. Above all, vote for someone that actually did what he said he was going to do on your dime.

regards,

Tim Nelson
 
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