IAM Fleet Service topic

[NYGiantsFan90]

Now if a manager refuses to do something about it, how is it the union's fault?

The union doesnt hire, fire or discipline US Airways employees, that role falls under management's rights.

 

[Jester]

Lets see there is a difference from a few months ago as you posted versus several years ago as you posted again, so which is it?

Your article is from 2009, which says several years ago, they took concessions in 2005, thats five years ago, not several months.

They voted a union in this year, not several years ago, they took concessions five years ago.

They voted in a union this year because of the merger, not concessions taken five years ago.

NYGiantsFan,

Do you think organizing an election to have an union happens overnight? You think a disgruntled ramper wakes-up one morning after seeing the cut in his paycheck and says, "You know, I'm pissed and I am going to force the company to have an election next month so we can have an union?"

These elections take YEARS because they require finding organizers within the rank and file, getting signatures, having Federal labor agencies review the case, and then the company delays, stalls and attempts many legal moves to disqualify the application. You think I am wrong in my analysis because after the CAL paycuts there was not an election shortly afterwards? You said it best in a prior post... "guess you dont know what happens."

So Corrects (Again) Jester.

 

[NYGiantsFan90]

They dont take years, I have been part of many campaigns, cards are only good for one year.

Lets see lets see the IAM and AFA filed 14 days ago and elections are now set for DL.

Keep grasping at straws.

 

[john john]

HP never had "rent" as defined as EXCESS PROFITS above the expected rate of return! Lucky to have ANY profits in 23 years of operation and HP did NOT come into existance until AFTER the CAB was all but eliminated!

SO HP treated their employees poorly because profits were poor and came into existence post CAB and regulation. Thank You for your insight.

 

[Jester]

SO HP treated their employees poorly because profits were poor and came into existence post CAB and regulation. Thank You for your insight.

You can't get blood from a stone...
The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak...
Wish in one hand and crap in the another and see what gets filled first...

What other hackeyed phrases would explain it further?

So Retreads Jester.

 

[bagchucker]

Question: Who supervises the recall process for furloughs? It seems like one very small department calls all the shots. They "draw a name" tell the station who the person is to call, and voila, that is the next contestant to play the recall game. It seems crooked. I know for a fact that at least 3 f/t people have been by-passed. There must be things they don't tell you when you get your packet that become applicable during the process. Hmmm. Another thing, the union does not follow up to make sure that the people who should be getting called. get called. The stations do not have a master list either.... so this one little department runs the whole show. Who corrects them when they are WRONG??!!??

 

[john john]

You can't get blood from a stone...
The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak...
Wish in one hand and crap in the another and see what gets filled first...

What other hackeyed phrases would explain it further?

So Retreads Jester.

In business you don’t get what you deserve you get what you negotiate. Unless you live in the world of a Jester.

 

[roabilly]

In business you don’t get what you deserve you get what you negotiate. Unless you live in the world of a Jester.

That is a very true statement JJ...

As applicable to business as LABOR is... it’s certainly a factor!

Fortunately for Feet Service... a Collective Bargaining Unit can accomplish a great deal when negotiating with Big Business through our collective leverage. This would not be the case for a lone individual that is caught up in the dynamics of profit over all else!

I have concluded that Jester’s ideology is nothing more than word processed anti-labor propaganda intended to weaken, and delude the work group. Only he knows the real story... wnink...wink...

So proclaims LABOR DAY as sacred...

BroBilly

 

[Harry Callahan]

Good morning. Does anyone in Charlotte know if Fleet Service is going to have to re-bid ?

 

[charlie Brown]

Good morning. Does anyone in Charlotte know if Fleet Service is going to have to re-bid ?

Harry
I know as of tues, they were discussing the possiblity, we should know for sure on wed. The grievance committee said they were meeting with managment on tues about whether or not to rebid.

 

[Jester]

Someone in the prior thread questioned the scheduled 25 minute SWA turns, and while web surfing I found this gem...

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=lBolz48uMtA&feature=related

Not exactly a short hop flight either... ABQ to BWI... if this was US fleet, I would give it an hour before the first grievance was filed.

So Rehashes Jester.

 

[ChockJockey]

Someone in the prior thread questioned the scheduled 25 minute SWA turns, and while web surfing I found this gem...

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=lBolz48uMtA&feature=related

Not exactly a short hop flight either... ABQ to BWI... if this was US fleet, I would give it an hour before the first grievance was filed.

So Rehashes Jester.

Cool story bro, but the Southwest forum is this way --> http://airlineforums.com/forum/35-southwest-airlines/

No need to thank me.

 

[DCaf]

Someone in the prior thread questioned the scheduled 25 minute SWA turns, and while web surfing I found this gem...

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=lBolz48uMtA&feature=related

Not exactly a short hop flight either... ABQ to BWI... if this was US fleet, I would give it an hour before the first grievance was filed.

So Rehashes Jester.

...and about 2 minutes before the first ESON was issued.

 

[roabilly]

Good morning. Does anyone in Charlotte know if Fleet Service is going to have to re-bid ?

Hey Harry...

My understanding is that there will be NO re-bid for Fleet in CLT.

Apparently, a duplication of a member's name occurred near the bottom of the list. There has been a LOA signed to allow all effected members from the duplication down to re-bid if they wish. This was decided in lieu of making the whole group fill out proxies for another complete re-bid.

Chock Jockey... thanks for directing Jester to the correct forum... “SOUTHJEST”!!

So... entices

BroBilly

 

[Jester]

Chock Jockey... thanks for directing Jester to the correct forum... “SOUTHJEST”!!

So... entices

BroBilly

My Dearest Mister Roability and The Most Honorable CJ,

My repeated reference to "Southjest" (a very flattered play on words), it a reminder of our own small world blinders which block us from comparing and constrasting ourselves against arguably the most successful airline presently in the US. When I hear how "Southwest makes this much..." and "... we deserve a raise", in context to our own profitability and productivity, I begin to question as to exactly what about individual fleet members give them that idea outside that's how much they made 20+ years ago? (Thus my discourse of rent sharing and brief history of CAB.)

Many have questioned my assertions and even the underlying facts which support my views, and on occasion, I may stumble across something for which I find insightful, as was the case of the SWA 25 Minute Turns video. And the hearty "thanks" I recieve calls me a management stooge along with directions to the SWA board? Gentlemen, I am not your adversary, but only someone who disagrees with this groupthink mindset which finds itself impervous to even commonly accepted information available to the public.

"Southwest" should be called "SouthSWOT" as they are the real adversary, and viewed within the management analysis paradigm of SWOT -- Strenghts, Weaknesses, Opportunities and Threats ... we should open ourselves as to being better, more productive, and even paid more than SWA, but this is not a case of "Pick Two" because they are all connected. We certainity are not better, nor more productive, but yet, many think we should be paid as much or even more?

So Conveys Jester.