IAM Fleet Service topic

[necigrad]

I agree with most of you that the survey should probably be password protected somehow, but I still have to ask this question: How will the Company skew the results? What's the Company going to ask for posing as one of us? Less pay? Less sick time? Less vacation? Come on guys. Seriously? They're spending more effort laughing their asses off at how paranoid Fleet Service seems by these posts.

As to Freedom. I'm going to be the one on this forum to give it a chance. I don't know him. I've heard that many think they know who he is, and maybe they do. To me, however, he's one more anonymous internet voice along with the rest of you. So here's my position. People change, and also change their opinions. Maybe Freedom is just doing this for the hell of it. I'm going to assume, however, that he has matured and "seen the light". While I think his positions are mostly moronic, they do have some logic to them. One doesn't have to agree to see a logical argument. Let's give the guy a chance. If he's now older, wiser, and more experienced, great. If he's screwing around we'll find out soon enough.

 

[Ramp Rogue]

Had a co-worker stop by yesterday. I was explaining about the survey. He said he didn't have a computer could he use mine to take the survey. Sure I said, go ahead. Wrong! Found out that since I had already taken it on my computer, that he could only edit the answers that I had given. Which would leave him out in the cold as far as the survey goes, if he can't find a computer to use that hasn't already been used to take the survey. What a screwed up system!

Rogue.....

 

[700UW]

Tell him to go to the public library, dont you think its easier to do it on a computer and have it tabulated and get instant results, than to have to read what 5,000 plus surveys and enter the data and formulate a report?

Your never happy with how the IAM does things, are you?

 

[Ramp Rogue]

Tell him to go to the public library, dont you think its easier to do it on a computer and have it tabulated and get instant results, than to have to read what 5,000 plus surveys and enter the data and formulate a report?

Your never happy with how the IAM does things, are you?

The busy-body strikes again! That is right, I am not happy with the iam. That is why I didn't vote for them!
If you would mind your on business you won't have time to be minding mine!

 

[700UW]

It's not your business when you post on the world wide web, for the WHOLE world to see.

And I see you have to attack and insult instead of answering the question or actually debating someone using intelligence.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Have your buddy send his responses to 700.

He should be able to complete the survey for him.

Since 700 isn't a member I'm sure he hasn't filled out a survey.

 

[roadtrip]

Had a co-worker stop by yesterday. I was explaining about the survey. He said he didn't have a computer could he use mine to take the survey. Sure I said, go ahead. Wrong! Found out that since I had already taken it on my computer, that he could only edit the answers that I had given. Which would leave him out in the cold as far as the survey goes, if he can't find a computer to use that hasn't already been used to take the survey. What a screwed up system!

Rogue.....

Can this friend go to a nearby library? They have internet at most of them and he would be able to take the survey....oh and just to let you know a smart phone with internet access to the web is another way to do the survey......

 

[Ramp Rogue]

Can this friend go to a nearby library? They have internet at most of them and he would be able to take the survey....oh and just to let you know a smart phone with internet access to the web is another way to do the survey......

It's already been taken care of. I was just letting those that are interested that there is only one survey per computer. So that if one is completing the survey on one of the computers at work, your answers could be changed by anyone using that computer after you. Thanks for the suggestion.

Great reply Dog Wonder!

Rogue.....

 

[freedom]

I would like to thank you necigrad for giving me a second chance ….I have gotten older , and I can only hope wiser …



Let there be no doubt in anyone’s mind that I’m now infuriated with the management that resides at 111 W. Rio Salado Parkway …..

With that being so , I hope to help shape these contract negotiations to a degree that is favorable to us , in as much as one person can do so ..

The first thing I want to make clear , is that a lot of the “vibe “ coming from corporate is for us not to expect much more in this new contract …

Well you know what , we finished FIRST is MBR for last year , so you had better EXPECT that we’re going to DEMAND more …. And I intend to see us have it …


Trying to determine what we want is one thing , figuring out how we’re going to get it is another …

Let’s start off with a basic review of the events that transpired during the last contract negotiations so we can better asses our strengths and weaknesses , please feel free to chime in with your view points because I have a lousy memory …

When we first all got together we were divided , America West VS Us airways East VS Class II cities ..The America west workers had just HORRIBLE horrible pay , same with the class two cities , the East side of our network had just been through a brutal crushing bankruptcy that stripped the workers of just about everything .

America west management had taken over the new company , and after a time the old TWU leadership was forced out ( or as some say , sold out on the national level ) … the IAM took over as the combined force , but not without much grumbling from those of us who were former TWU members …I remember for a time we went so far as to openly talk about brining in a new union ( IBT ) this however unbeknownst to those of you on the east side was just a political tacit in order for us to gain more leverage within the union who at the time was headed by canolie ….

Once the IAM took over , they shut out the former TWU leadership from any positions of importance and installed the highest ranking union official who survived the culling as head of the West half of the network , that man whom you now know as Ron Roth today was then just the PHX chair for the TWU ..

Once Ron came to power he took complete control of the PHX station and the entire former network of AWA locales ….He crushed dissention and set clear goals as to what our objectives would be in talks with the company …. He completely in grated himself with the union officials in power and from what I can gather rose through their ranks quite swiftly …

Meanwhile our PHX station was left to try and increase solidarity amongst the ranks while our new leader took care of the upper level stuff … I’ll say this , we had VERY strong union men , who still reside today with us in the work place , if not for their efforts , we wouldn’t have made nearly as much as an impact as we did … but even with a few good men (and women!), we still had solidarity problems ..

Arizona is a right to work state , and a heavily leaning republican one as well ..We’ve never had a strong tradition of being staunch union men and women out here …As I’m told , it took quite an effort on behalf of Pat Reslier and the other former AWA workers to create a union here on the PHX ramp … but through their efforts , one finally came about ..

While the PHX station had grown large ( 900 employee’s ) we were still a disjointed work force … many of the part time workers were only here for the flight benefits , heck even some of the FULL time workers were only here for the benefits ..

Our lack of innate unity started us off on a disadvantage . Where we heard tales of the entire PHL ramp trashing equipment and roughing up management ( neither a good thing ) the most we could manage were 30 person rallies and defacing some out of the way walls with chalk …

Back then the situation looked hopeless , in many people’s minds the east was a sold voting block ( we had not yet discovered that you were splintered with the class two cities ) … I know of MANY, MANY people who quit before we got a new contract , a lot of them after the first failed vote ..in those days the economy was booming so this job was nothing special , we’d go through 30 people in a summer month ….( as in they would throw down their badge and walk off ) …

Because of high turn over , apathetic workers and low morale our tactics had to change …If we were going to challenge the east AND the company it wasn’t going to be through head on confrontation … I don’t remember anyone coming to me one day and saying “change in tactics “ I think we all just sort of grew into it .. .. Of course I COULD be wrong , there was what we might call a shadow leadership structure in place on the ramp , the details of which I was never privy too , which was fine with me .. But at certain times one would be asked to say or do certain things …

It was discovered by accident that I had a special talent for writing , I guess expressing my opinions through multimedia format has always come naturally too me .. I was asked to keep doing what I was doing …. That was easy enough …. I still find it remarkable that I could evoke an emotional response from people just by writing words on a message board as an unknown forum member ..

So while I and others pounded away at this message board working to broaden our contacts throughout the system and share our ideas as to what our future would be ( vote yes !) … The other let’s say darker half of the shadow system went to work ..As Ron slaved away on the national level , he continued to keep us informed leaving at least BI weekly reports as to his progress … it was required reading , and if you didn’t bother to take the time to look at the union board , well you’d find a copy somewhere , maybe in your lunch or taped on your locker …

This unknown group worked in other ways too … I remember hearing about one of their finer stunts … so we’d been out there , protesting in front of HQ with our signs , shouting our slogans as the cars passed by , some honked , some gave us dirty looks , most people really didn’t care … at the end of the day it felt good to protest , like a giant con fab , but realistically our protest attendance was low and our impact limited .. News media was to hard come by , sure the odd reporter or so might come out and ask a few questions , but nothing out of the ordinary , our protest was just like every other union protest that had ever been staged for the last 20 years …What did make the news however were the flyers that individuals stuffed in random passengers luggage explaining the working man’s plight here in PHX .. That was a shocker to whom ever opened up their luggage .. ..

After that event management was on edge , or at least alert to the fact that people were acting out in whatever manner they could .. The years and the months are a jumble to me , but sometime around then , the super bowl which was to be held here in Arizona was coming up … this was going to be THE biggest airline movement of passengers ever ! The rumblings from the ramp started to grow louder and louder as the super bowl grew closer , people were frustrated , there had been a few US airways town halls by this point where Doug Parker himself would come out and explain why things hadn’t progressed much in the contract talks (always blaming the union, at which point Ron Roth or another union rep would stand up and blame the company ) …Long story short , it wasn’t comforting to hear “we’re working on it “ for months on end …

Obviously the low worker morale began to take a toll on our MBR , people just weren’t motivated to keep going the extra mile and get the luggage where it needed to be .. I mean why rush when your getting paid peanuts to do a job that you know people on the other side of the country in the SAME UNION are getting paid twice as much to do ..Now I might be partly responsible for what ensued as the super bowl grew closer , by that time even my morale was in the gutter , and it’s entirely possible that I along with others might have given management the impression that we were somehow going to sabotage the well oiled work flow of the ramp and really slow things down PHL Christmas style LOL .. Boy let me tell you , the day after the super bowl you have NEVER seen so many management types in all your life on the ramp .. I swear they must have had the heads of every department down here watching us , the ratio must have been like one management too every two workers ….There were no problems that day ..

So where are we …. Yes .. Let’s jump to the first vote failing ..I couldn’t believe it when the results were announced … everything had seemed so sure … but no , that fantastic payday which many of us had dreamed about was not about to occur , swatted down by the east voters …at that point , there was a lot of bitterness at the east employee’s , it was often said that they didn’t understand what we were going through working so hard out here for such low pay .. Even the exchanges on this message board reflected our disappointment with the outcome , becoming much more confrontational ..

Our sprits were utterly crushed except for just a very few individuals , one of those people thank god was Ron Roth .. I can’t remember exactly what was said to enliven our sprits , but he acted in much the same was as a little league coach would after the team had lost “ don’t worry guys we will get them next time ! Great effort !”

After slowly rebuilding our morale , it became evident that like it or not , those were the cards we had been dealt , one could either sit in the corner crying over their spilled milk , which would accomplish absolutely nothing , or we could redouble our efforts ..Seeing as the PHX ramp has always had a very strong work ethic , we chose to do the latter …

The picketing increased , the networking resumed at a greater level , the clashes on this message board became more frequent and intense , Ron did whatever it was that he did and grew even stronger among the leadership …. It was at that time that we came to learn more about the east and what drove them , because if your going to beat someone , you need to understand them and their history …That’s when we learned more about the 60 day rule , and what had befallen the class two cities …

The sixty day rule was an awful awful rule , effectively ending one’s airline career and all of their seniority once the clock ran out .. It went something like this …. If you worked at XYZ station and they got closed down or outsourced , you had the ability to transfer to another station that had an open spot , problem was back then after US Air had been downsized and slashed again and again , all of the open spots were taken … so you ended up getting furloughed ,, I think they gave you a list with three choices and you had to wait for a spot to open up … if after 60 days nothing opened up … ah shoot I forget the rest , but long story short , people were stuck on forced furlough watching their time wind down until the day they’d be out of the system forever … also there was something about coming back to work and being started on the LOWEST pay grade again … but the details are fuzzy to me….

The next crack to develop in the impregnable image of the east was the simmering resentment of the class two cites and how they had been stabbed in the back by the main hubs during concession talks … back when the ramp was being asked to make difficult choices during bankruptcy , one of the options was for the workers at the smaller cities to get less money than the workers at the HUB’s … it was put to a vote , and surprise surprise the majority of workers chose to implement a lower pay scale on the satellite stations then see wages cut in the hubs .. This stuck in the caw of many of the class two workers , a betrayal that they would never forget , and a status that they desired to cast off at the soonest moment possible ..

As time continued to pass the first tremors in the economy began to shake ever so gently .. Oil was sky rocketing , the commercial markets along with real-estate weren’t looking so bright anymore ..

That’s when our message began to turn and a new sense of urgency took hold … what if the economy turned into a recession ? There would be no worse time to get a new contract then when everything was going to hell .. So with new vigor we pounded away , me crying on here about how horrible things would be in a bad economy and how we might end up stuck in a stalemate like the pilots for years on end … I made sure to emphasis the 60 day rule over and over again , reminding people about how THEY could become the ones left out in the cold only to lose everything if this rule wasn’t rectified … that attack had merits , along with seeking to drive a wedge between the HUB’s and class two cities ..

As talks between the company went on and off , on and off … more of the workers who had once only seen this job as nothing more than a cheap airfare started to see it as stable employment … how many real estate agents were left without work as things began to implode … but more than the bad economy , what changed was the way in which we related to one another , solidarity actually began to grow as if out of thin air … As more people hung on to the job , we began to known each other better .. Back in the day it wasn’t always worth the effort to learn the new guys names , because maybe a week or a month later they’d be gone .. Today the turnover rate is nill , and we are all familiar with each other to one degree or another ..\

I’m starting to petter out here but ….. The second vote came around … this time the work force was unified , people actually came in from their vacations no matter where they were in the country to cast their ballots … Ron Roth had succeed in getting the voting location moved to the Airport ….because the information campaign had been waged for month and months , everyone knew what was at stake , that’s why when you look back at the results you can see that only nine people at our entire hub voted against the contract ..

Meanwhile the east had either become apathetic , content in the fact that they had the numbers , or conversely worn down from all of the months of infighting … The class two cities were ready to break the chains that bound them , and vote they did , almost to the man …with the help of the class two cities and our now almost extinct second HUB of LAS , we prevailed , and here we stand years later ….

I think looking back we made some serious mistakes that were brought about because of the crushing sense of economic desperation from those of us who were AWA …agreeing to outsource all of the stations that we did in the contract was an error …..while a mistake on our part , it should be noted that there were agreed upon times to close them down , which the company VIOLATED and rushed the hatchet job ..

As for myself , I see now that I spent too much time fighting with the east workers and not enough time fighting the company …

Today I have no malice in my heart to people I might have at one time compared to the company as “oppressors keeping us down !”if anything , I look forward to working with all of the people that I once fought against .. To those of you on the east , you were worthy adversaries , and I can’t think of a better group of employees to have in our ranks as we go forward together as a united work force to seek that which we have earned ..


In writing this , It was not my intent to lay bare the old wounds , or display any signs of weakness within our union , but to with an honest eye look back and see where we have come from , and how we got to where we are today … only by accepting our respective strengths and differences can we learn from our mistakes and emerge stronger and more prepared for the battle ahead ….

Freedom

 

[robbedagain]

freedom you are correct about the 60 day rule. this company darn well knew they would lose a heck of a lot of folks with that alone. I believe they did away with that entirely. when the 08 contract went thru tthe west never had that though I could be wrong. we still have the crappiest shift in the entire industry. dougie knows it and i have a feeling that he wont do too much to increase it but if our nd team is ready for a fight, then I hope they have all the arms they need for the fight. this company has never ever treated their own employees right. Ive heard this airline should be called Moron Airways. I can only hope that we get improved wages, benefits, vacations, much better sick policy, gotta have scope and language protection I would also like to see a better 401k but....i dont think that gonna happen.

 

[Black Magic]

I don't know why US brags all the time in having the best MBR of the major hub and spoke carriers. Since US is the smallest of big 4 it has much lower volume of bags.

The 2nd vote of the contract would have never passed had phx had to vote at the local lodge instead of the airport. I know phx very well and the number of voters that would have turned out would have been around 25%. I'll never respect this union because of that. Winning is one thing as long as its done fairly. Management and the IAM worked shady behind the scenes to push this contract through mainly to get rid of the "Change in control language" so US fleet service would be easy/appealing for a merger with United.

 

[PHXramper]

lots of good posts lately, vry impressed... I updated my survery in the comments section to say that if the company doesnt respond to our grievances in the time line its awarded to the grievant, in my station they take forever to respond to grievances. its not fair the union is held to a time frame and the company isnt.

 

[freedom]

freedom you are correct about the 60 day rule. this company darn well knew they would lose a heck of a lot of folks with that alone. I believe they did away with that entirely. when the 08 contract went thru tthe west never had that though I could be wrong. we still have the crappiest shift in the entire industry. dougie knows it and i have a feeling that he wont do too much to increase it but if our nd team is ready for a fight, then I hope they have all the arms they need for the fight. this company has never ever treated their own employees right. Ive heard this airline should be called Moron Airways. I can only hope that we get improved wages, benefits, vacations, much better sick policy, gotta have scope and language protection I would also like to see a better 401k but....i dont think that gonna happen.

Well Robbed Again , I agree that we haven’t always been treated with the RESPECT that the first place finisher among the major airlines in MBR deserves …

Why just in recounting our union struggle I can clearly remember how when we voted on the new contract , there was a timeline when several of the stations on that list would be contracted out , but not until a certain date …. The company VIOLATED the terms of our agreement and outsourced those stations earlier than the stipulated date …. In the real world , that’s what’s known as a double cross …

This is not a company run by saints , look at how effectively they’ve kept the pilots and FA’s at each other for YEARS ..I don’t see the company stepping in to try and mitigate the various disputes ..


Robbed again ,… I want to point out something you wrote in your prior posting

“but if our nd team is ready for a fight, then I hope they have all the arms they need for the fight “


I learned from some of the best here in PHX , and I remember when I used to say things like you just said … I was swiftly told that I had better stop hoping for OTHERS to fight for me , and to learn to fight for myself , because if we didn’t do it , NO ONE ELSE WOULD …

The New Direction team is not going to get us wages and compensation on par with the SECOND OR THIRD best paid airlines in this industry , WE ARE …. YOU ARE ….

I’ll tell you something , I’m tired of seeing good paying jobs outsourced by this company to be replaced by service workers who make not enough to live on , and have absolutely ZERO pride in the job they do …I’m DONE with outsourcing our jobs … if the company wants to completely close down a station , hey that’s fine with me , but in my book our jobs from hence forth on should never be replaced by service workers ..

All of this bluster brings me to today’s topic …

How are we going to achieve our goals ?

Having now been through a brutal contract campaign , I’ve learned some valuable lessons …First of all , during our last round of talks we were at a disadvantage because we were divided , which allowed the company to offer substandard terms …we must ensure that we are never divided in such a manner again ..

I also heard from what I could gather , that the company negotiators were obstinate people , scheduling a meeting one week , and then canceling it the next …in other words , they jerked our guys around for the hell of it ..( most likely to soften them up because our union officials were under tremendous pressure to produce results )


Getting what we want in today’s world is now more complex and hard to achieve then in the old days … As I once said “ in the future there will be lines of people stretching around the block to take our jobs !” and that is true , today’s lousy economy has weakened one of the normal strengths of labor , which used to be the fact that there weren’t armies of people unemployed desperate for any job they could find .. Back in the day , a lot of people didn’t WANT to be baggage handlers , perish the thought !

Now we are left with the reality that we can’t strike , too many of our workers simply can’t afford it , and too many others would fear losing their jobs … so we go back to the old playbook and look at option number two as far as gaining negotiating leverage at the table goes …So US airways , you like being number one as far as MBR goes do you ? Well then , we suggest you bump us up to the level of the second best compensated airline in the industry ! Or ELSE !

While I think that management enjoys having the MBR status , I’m sure that somewhere on paper they have a “number “ that relates to labor costs , and if being 3rd in baggage and last among the majors in worker compensation is what they had to settle for , they would be fine with that ..

PROTESTS ANYONE ??? Another tried and true tactic of unions , and one that I must honestly say I enjoy … I think getting out there on the street with your brothers and sisters and publicly protesting for what you believe in is a fantastic way to build solidarity among the ranks , and at the end of the day it leaves the worker with a feeling of accomplishing something ! However , short of having 300 person protests , the actually effectiveness is most likely limited .. Who hasn’t seen people standing on the side of the road with one of those big red banners reading “ SHAME ON XYZ CORPORATION , WORKER DISPUTE “ … sometimes I honk when I read the banners , and I think in my mind , good luck ! But after I drive another whole block , I completely forget their issue ..

The art of negotiating has advanced so far that these days both parties now play psychological games during the course of talks , where the meetings will be held , how the seats are arranged , the length of the meetings … on and on and on … such things bore me to tears …how any of this leads to contract improvements or more leverage for one side or the other , I don’t know ..


What I do know is that rule book that unions play by is far far too old … even the rail road labor act created in 1926 is beyond ancient ( they didn’t even have cell phones back then !!!!)

I feel that difficult times require creative counter measures …Remember , I was educated in the ways of unions here in PHX , a location that couldn’t meet direct force with direct force ( case in point black magic’s disdain at hosting the vote here at the airport )…

The first Rule in the new playbook should be “overwhelming force “ …. looking back at the last contract , if we had taken things more seriously , more urgently and given 110% from day one , we might have saved ourselves an entire YEAR of lost wages at a lower pay scale …Think of it like how the United States fights Wars …. We may not have more troops then the countries we invade but we have complete air and technology superiority , in other words DOMINATION ….

The next time we sit down at that table , instead of the company men jerking US around , it should be WE who jerk them around , and THEY should be the ones under tremendous pressure to codify a new contract as quickly as possible …

Rule number two : make it personal ….it’s one thing to have self interest in the results of a new contract , it’s another to be emotionally involved …

If your gonna pick a fight , then your gonna have to get angry …. We MUST provoke emotional responses from our membership … It will soon be time to PAINFULLY remind all of our forced transfers of their new situation in life …. Yes I know that many of you have been effected by the station cuts and out sourcing and to this day continue to suffer , but for the sake of greater union power , it will be necessary to dig into your wounds .. (sorry !)
Fear is also a powerful motivator … if we must exaggerate , we should be prepared to do so … who knows , maybe the company is thinking about shutting down the remaining stations , completely outsourcing LAS , or worse yet , getting rid of the ENTIRE ramp …
I’m a nonchalant person , I don’t care what It takes to drive the machine ……. as long as we ignite the fire …

and let us remember the worlds oldest rule written by Sun Tzu which is to known the enemy ( figuratively speaking of course ) …..

HOW do the people in the executive branch think ? What drives them , and most importantly what are their fears ?

All too often we as lowly ramp workers deal with a very structured world , clock in at a certain hour , work in a certain zone all day , complete XYZ tasks , clock out , plan shift trades for the next week etc …. The people making 500,000 a year at this company are not charged with performing routine tasks day in and day out .. Their paid to be creative , have foresight and handle any problems that might arise on the fly …

I wonder what their general day is like … we can assume that their duties involve interpreting political events , for instance , obama care , will it raise taxes at this company , and if so how can we avoid the extra hit to the bottom line ? Their probably monitoring the pilot and FA situations , is there any change in the general long term out look for either of those two groups ? will we have to factor in increased costs for new combined work groups with better barging strength ?

Then of course there’s the fun stuff like good will …The united way campaign is one of them , along with most of the other charitable events that have our companies name on them … Image is important , that’s why we have a host of goals at this company to improve on time performance , MBR and customer complaints …

In a way I can understand their great push for better image , I remember when I was part of an airline that was regarded as little more than a cattle car with wings … now things are different , I can feel a subtle pride not only on the ramp , but throughout the entire company .. And when I happen to go two and fro before or after work in my uniform , I no longer hear stories of lost baggage or angry this or that , but what a great turn around we’ve had and what a great experience a passenger has had flying on us ..

But back to the issue at hand …. So these guys think about a lot of things , and like any group of insulated people who are under continuous pressure to prepare for any out come , fear is constantly with them …

Fear that oil will spike to 200 dollars a barrel , fear that the US economy will double dip and passenger demand will dry up , and yes it was fear on their part many years ago that an agitated ramp would scuttle the super bowl …

To best them in contract discussions we’re going to have to play on their fear ..and I don’t mean personal fear mind you … I’m not advocating for a return to 1970’s union tactics of slashed tires and threats …

I’m talking about adapting to the times and using THEIR self imposed constraints …. Letting them construct their own prisons of the mind ..

I know that some of you will vehemently disagree with what I’m about to say , and that’s fine , to each his own …but I believe that the management at rio salado is terrified of the economic boycott of all companies based in this state due to the issue of illegal immigration (SB1070 ) … My proof to you is the letter that our CEO signed which was sent by the chamber of commerce to the state senate of Arizona effectively killing further immigration enforcement efforts ..

Now it’s not hard to see the reasoning behind such fear , the “other side “ makes a VERY loud noise , chanting, screaming , threatening , and they do have an awful lot of politicians on their side .. And SEVERAL conventions were cancelled in this state , along with all the other publicized pull outs of tourists and what have you …so there is REASON to fear ….

Until events unfolded as they did , I never dreamed that we would have the ability to capitalize on the most passionate issue in this country in the last 20 years ..

But thanks to the cowardice of our companies management , I can now smell their fear …


Certain people in my state are on edge …

A taste of Fear , click here

They can be pushed OVER the edge …



But we will save the discussion on how to provoke emotional responses in the general public and link them to the causes of our choosing for another day

 

[28L_or_10R?]

If your gonna pick a fight , then your gonna have to get angry …. We MUST provoke emotional responses from our membership … It will soon be time to PAINFULLY remind all of our forced transfers of their new situation in life …. Yes I know that many of you have been effected by the station cuts and out sourcing and to this day continue to suffer , but for the sake of greater union power , it will be necessary to dig into your wounds .. (sorry !)

WHAT???!!! You know what, on the next major economic downturn I hope they do a Vegas and PIT on PHX. Then you can get a furlough package so you can be painfully reminded of your new situation in life! Jerk.

 

[PHXramper]

Freedom, now that you see the light, im happy, however, i only read 1 paragraph of your message because i have no time to sit and read 15 minutes worth of info, so please limit your message to a paragraph,and post every couple of hours so i dont get lost in your messase. i dont like reading from the same poster like im reading from a book. keep it simple or you lose me.