IAM Fleet Service topic

[Tim Nelson]

This will be my last post regarding the Jan 1 raise issue. I just want to make it clear that the local G/C as well as our AGC have been 100% transparent in explaining the entire process regarding the misprint from start to finish.

I have personally spoken with them, and I’m satisfied that neither they… nor Delaney had anything to do with the issue.

I am not going to choose a position in any political side shows; I will still uphold the integrity of the N/D folks as before with objectivity. It should be clear that I never blamed anyone in particular for the oversight. I just wanted to ensure that nothing like this will ever slip trough the cracks again.

And what political side show are you referring to Roabily? C'mon maaaaannnnn. The issues I raised are not political in nature at all. These are real issues, separate from politics, and the fact that the N/D hasn't proceeded to correct the discrepencies they said they would is a shame. Cripes, just because I'm running against Rich Delaney doesn't make all the issues I discuss political. If I wanted to get political then I would just ask all the CLT folks when the last time they saw Rich Delaney was? He campaigned on the promise that "If I don't come here except for election time then vote for someone else."

regards,

Tim Nelson

 

[pjirish317]

I have a question for anybody that thinks they have the answer.
We have 5 AGC's compared to United's 14 or so AGC's. We need at least 9 I think. How does this problem get fixed? I say get rid of 4 United AGC's and give them to USAirways. Just my opinion though.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I have a question for anybody that thinks they have the answer.
We have 5 AGC's compared to United's 14 or so AGC's. We need at least 9 I think. How does this problem get fixed? I say get rid of 4 United AGC's and give them to USAirways. Just my opinion though.

PJ,
Delaney and the ND team has so far refused to increase the representational resources for US AIRWAYS. FO has asked for more but the ND team has refused to make things equal. GS was upgraded due to the health issues of another AGC that we should be praying for. One of the big problems is that US AIRWAYS AGC's have to represent more per capita members than those at United. You have a valid point PJ that is backed up with facts. I think US AIRWAYS members have always been treated like second best. That has to change. Also, PHL, PHX, and CLT need their own primary AGC who isn't responsible for 4 other stations like FO, MF, etc are. 3 hub AGC's for US AIRWAYS, and 5 or so other US AIRWAYS AGC's to represent the out stations. Regionalizing AGC"s also cuts time in the air and cuts down on the money spent.

For a breakdown, UA ramp has 11 AGC's and about 600 members per AGC. US AIRWAYS ramp has 5 AGC's and well over a 1,000 members per AGC. Being second best isn't good in any phase of life. US AIRWAYS members need to be treated the same as United members in regards to the resources. If the members are going to finally Occupy 141, then it must not only get rid of the greed, and plenty of other things, but also get rid of the disparity between groups. I'm pretty hopeful that the membership is going to be able to accomplish that next year and once the masses finally occupy 141, negotiations will move quicker and stronger.

regards,

Tim Nelson

 

[john john]

IAM is concern over loosing UA ramp, passengers service group and the Continental/United Flight Attendants . The merger with CO triggering a vote. IAM already lost United mechanics and related employees IAM is working hard and focusing at keeping ramp, passenger service and flight attendant groups on the UA property IAM.
http://www.locallodge141.com/airlines/ual.html
http://www.teamster.org/content/teamsters-file-objections-cal-ual-fleet-service-elections
http://avstop.com/news_july_2011/iam_challenges_united_airlines_flight_attendants_vote.htm
IAM at US isn’t going anywhere any time soon.There is a big difference of concern between IAM at US and UA.Can you say IAM pension fund

 

[john john]

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[Tim Nelson]

IAM is concern over loosing UA ramp, passengers service group and the Continental/United Flight Attendants . The merger with CO triggering a vote. IAM already lost United mechanics and related employees IAM is working hard and focusing at keeping ramp, passenger service and flight attendant groups on the UA property IAM.
http://www.locallodge141.com/airlines/ual.html
http://www.teamster.org/content/teamsters-file-objections-cal-ual-fleet-service-elections
http://avstop.com/news_july_2011/iam_challenges_united_airlines_flight_attendants_vote.htm
IAM at US isn’t going anywhere any time soon.There is a big difference of concern between IAM at US and UA.Can you say IAM pension fund

John John,

Working the case, I don't think there is any evidence that would suggest a reversal in favor of the IBT for UA ramp, or the IAM for the stews. I am concerned about the United passenger service in regards to the pension fund. We really must win that campaign but there were some political shots fired that removed key folks who were significant in winning the last two [and only two this decade] IAM campaigns. I hope the newbies know what they are doing because 9,000 members jobs are at stake.

Nonetheless, they would really have to screw it up bigtime to lose the UA passenger service group. If it was a football game, I'd make them the favs by a touchdown.

regards,

Tim Nelson

 

[JackaBilly]

I am 100% against the group of people we have running the show now, But I hope Rich makes a full recovery and suffers no long term effects from his situation. That being said, I guess my next question is, if by chance He has to hand over the keys prior to the election, exactly who would get those keys? There is not one AGC that comes to mind that does not scare the s**t out of me when I think of them running the show. And I hear talks have been postponed to Dec 12th?, I guess that is in part to two things, One: There is no one qualified to sit in Riches seat while he mends (not that he is all that much qualified) and Two: When you have absolutly zero concern for anything or anyone else but yourself, postponing things months at a time is easy when you pull close to 10k a month. I was under the assumption that a Union was not guided by one man alone, but it seems thats what we have now. Im tired of calling my AGC's and hearing "We are working hard for you" or "Let me get back to you on that", I would have more respect for them if they would just say "I really dont get this AGC thing and Im hoping to kind of fly under the radar until this money train stops" All I can say is im really going to do my homework before I vote next June. I dont give a #### how much experience a candidate brings to the table, Christ, how many years in the Union does Rich have and look at that performance. Make me belive that you honestly give a s**t about our situation, Don't promise us what the majority of the members knows in unattainable, We all want 50 an hour, We all want an AGC's pension, We all want our vacations back, We all want free coffee and donuts in every ready room, but dont insult my intelligence by promising it to me, save that s**t for the starry eyed new kids who think you can. I want an AGC who answers his/her cell phone when I call, I want a President who gives me the right answer even if they know its not what I want to hear, I want to call my Union officials and not feel like Im wasting their time with my questions. All we want to do is provide for our families, pay our bills, not make our kids chose between two sports. ####, I just want to hand my credit card over to a waiter and not have to worry about it going thru. So my advice to the current regime is pack your bags and make your plans, your time is over, and my advice to the new regime is remeber your decisions effect alot of hard working people, make them wisely.

 

[Jester]

I am 100% against the group of people we have running the show now, But I hope Rich makes a full recovery and suffers no long term effects from his situation. That being said, I guess my next question is, if by chance He has to hand over the keys prior to the election, exactly who would get those keys? There is not one AGC that comes to mind that does not scare the s**t out of me when I think of them running the show. And I hear talks have been postponed to Dec 12th?, I guess that is in part to two things, One: There is no one qualified to sit in Riches seat while he mends (not that he is all that much qualified) and Two: When you have absolutly zero concern for anything or anyone else but yourself, postponing things months at a time is easy when you pull close to 10k a month. I was under the assumption that a Union was not guided by one man alone, but it seems thats what we have now. Im tired of calling my AGC's and hearing "We are working hard for you" or "Let me get back to you on that", I would have more respect for them if they would just say "I really dont get this AGC thing and Im hoping to kind of fly under the radar until this money train stops" All I can say is im really going to do my homework before I vote next June. I dont give a #### how much experience a candidate brings to the table, Christ, how many years in the Union does Rich have and look at that performance. Make me belive that you honestly give a s**t about our situation, Don't promise us what the majority of the members knows in unattainable, We all want 50 an hour, We all want an AGC's pension, We all want our vacations back, We all want free coffee and donuts in every ready room, but dont insult my intelligence by promising it to me, save that s**t for the starry eyed new kids who think you can. I want an AGC who answers his/her cell phone when I call, I want a President who gives me the right answer even if they know its not what I want to hear, I want to call my Union officials and not feel like Im wasting their time with my questions. All we want to do is provide for our families, pay our bills, not make our kids chose between two sports. ####, I just want to hand my credit card over to a waiter and not have to worry about it going thru. So my advice to the current regime is pack your bags and make your plans, your time is over, and my advice to the new regime is remeber your decisions effect alot of hard working people, make them wisely.

Jack,

Let be the first to say that was an excellent first time post especially from someone who I thought, originally based solely upon the handle to be My Friend, The Dear Mister Roability's first online clone, and he finally reached some board cred. (I'll buy the first round, Roabilly)

I think in you have expressed the frustration of many of the bold promises being given while candidates for office, and yet, they fail to have the decency to return phone calls once elected. I understand AGC's are busy, but maybe a call within a few days? Honestly, I don't know the quick solution to the problem. Personally, I expect professional positions to be handled in a professional manner, and maybe some of these people don't care or are not aware of professional conduct?

When my attorneys, accountants or doctors offices do not call me back promptly within the next working day, I call that a lack of professional behavior on their behalf, and I believe most people would think the same way. Having come from a professional background, I understand my obligations, especially to immediate supervisors, clients and co-workers (notice I leave off telemarketers). As it appears the AGC's believe they are not answerable to anyone, they can treat us as if we are telemarketers "bothering" them with conversations they do not want to hear... frankly, that is unacceptable. Years ago a family member, who was a rather influencial man, told me that an elected official would dare not have a phone number listed in the phone book for their constituents (I didn't believe him, so I looked it up myself... he was right). That's not to say the elected official would call me back, but rather someone from the official's office, but at least, that is something.

I have said many times on this board that we lack an educated and professional representations with our AGCs, and while I do not expect miricles overnight with AGCs who have earned MBAs, law degrees, and 20 years of professional experience, I think maybe some basic seminars on ethics and professional standards should be mandatory for newly elected AGCs and periodic recurrent instruction. Attorneys, CPAs, healthcare professionals, etc. require continuing education, and at $100,000 salaries, I damn well expect our AGCs to be at those same levels of professionalism.

So Deems Jester.

 

[john john]

John John,

I am concerned about the United passenger service in regards to the pension fund. We really must win that campaign but there were some political shots fired that removed key folks who were significant in winning the last two [and only two this decade] IAM campaigns. I hope the newbies know what they are doing because 9,000 members jobs are at stake.

Nonetheless, they would really have to screw it up bigtime to lose the UA passenger service group. If it was a football game, I'd make them the favs by a touchdown.

regards,

Tim Nelson

http://cal-ualteamsters.com/sites/cal-ualteamsters.com/files/72611calualpensioninformationflier.pdf

The Teamsters Union believes that following a Teamster
victory in the representation election, United would
be bound by its status quo obligations to maintain
contributions to the IAM pension plan.

 

[Dave Lolly]

I am 100% against the group of people we have running the show now, But I hope Rich makes a full recovery and suffers no long term effects from his situation. That being said, I guess my next question is, if by chance He has to hand over the keys prior to the election, exactly who would get those keys? There is not one AGC that comes to mind that does not scare the s**t out of me when I think of them running the show. And I hear talks have been postponed to Dec 12th?, I guess that is in part to two things, One: There is no one qualified to sit in Riches seat while he mends (not that he is all that much qualified) and Two: When you have absolutly zero concern for anything or anyone else but yourself, postponing things months at a time is easy when you pull close to 10k a month. I was under the assumption that a Union was not guided by one man alone, but it seems thats what we have now. Im tired of calling my AGC's and hearing "We are working hard for you" or "Let me get back to you on that", I would have more respect for them if they would just say "I really dont get this AGC thing and Im hoping to kind of fly under the radar until this money train stops" All I can say is im really going to do my homework before I vote next June. I dont give a #### how much experience a candidate brings to the table, Christ, how many years in the Union does Rich have and look at that performance. Make me belive that you honestly give a s**t about our situation, Don't promise us what the majority of the members knows in unattainable, We all want 50 an hour, We all want an AGC's pension, We all want our vacations back, We all want free coffee and donuts in every ready room, but dont insult my intelligence by promising it to me, save that s**t for the starry eyed new kids who think you can. I want an AGC who answers his/her cell phone when I call, I want a President who gives me the right answer even if they know its not what I want to hear, I want to call my Union officials and not feel like Im wasting their time with my questions. All we want to do is provide for our families, pay our bills, not make our kids chose between two sports. ####, I just want to hand my credit card over to a waiter and not have to worry about it going thru. So my advice to the current regime is pack your bags and make your plans, your time is over, and my advice to the new regime is remeber your decisions effect alot of hard working people, make them wisely.

 

[blownkneesbob]

just a heads up for those that have their 401 k automatically increase contributions each year. If you had set yours up for a 2 % increase starting Jan 2012 thinking
you were getting a raise . You might want to rethink that since we aren't getting our 2 % in Jan.

 

[Tim Nelson]

http://cal-ualteamsters.com/sites/cal-ualteamsters.com/files/72611calualpensioninformationflier.pdf

The Teamsters Union believes that following a Teamster
victory in the representation election, United would
be bound by its status quo obligations to maintain
contributions to the IAM pension plan.

John John, my reference to UA PCE was that if they vote out the IAM then that may put the IAM pension at further risk for the remaining members. Also, although the employers are responsible for the contractual contributions, the IAM Pension Trustees are the ones who decide if further cuts are needed to the future benefits. My concern is that they don't establish a C scale or rob the US AIRWAYS members of any more of their hard earned future benefits anytime soon.

There was an incredible amount of ignorance over the years about the IAM pension plan and when I went up against the IAM after I read the plan, they just told folks not to listen to me and that their plan was 'guaranteed'.

One thing that unions try to keep is ignorance. Ignorance keeps division and the good ole boy network. Knowledge is power. Lately, the IAM ND has told folks not to post on facebook or this site. Something is wrong about that. Everyone should keep posting and post even more.

Has our AGC's costed out the benefit loss regarding the IAM pension cuts if they obtain a contract before Jan 1, 2014? And what is the sliding scale of that cost as each month passes? I mean, how can they be negotiating anything if they haven't first done their homework and costed out our pension reduction if it comes before Jan 1, 2014?

regards,

Tim Nelson

 

[Tim Nelson]

I am 100% against the group of people we have running the show now, But I hope Rich makes a full recovery and suffers no long term effects from his situation. That being said, I guess my next question is, if by chance He has to hand over the keys prior to the election, exactly who would get those keys? There is not one AGC that comes to mind that does not scare the s**t out of me when I think of them running the show. And I hear talks have been postponed to Dec 12th?, I guess that is in part to two things, One: There is no one qualified to sit in Riches seat while he mends (not that he is all that much qualified) and Two: When you have absolutly zero concern for anything or anyone else but yourself, postponing things months at a time is easy when you pull close to 10k a month. I was under the assumption that a Union was not guided by one man alone, but it seems thats what we have now. Im tired of calling my AGC's and hearing "We are working hard for you" or "Let me get back to you on that", I would have more respect for them if they would just say "I really dont get this AGC thing and Im hoping to kind of fly under the radar until this money train stops" All I can say is im really going to do my homework before I vote next June. I dont give a #### how much experience a candidate brings to the table, Christ, how many years in the Union does Rich have and look at that performance. Make me belive that you honestly give a s**t about our situation, Don't promise us what the majority of the members knows in unattainable, We all want 50 an hour, We all want an AGC's pension, We all want our vacations back, We all want free coffee and donuts in every ready room, but dont insult my intelligence by promising it to me, save that s**t for the starry eyed new kids who think you can. I want an AGC who answers his/her cell phone when I call, I want a President who gives me the right answer even if they know its not what I want to hear, I want to call my Union officials and not feel like Im wasting their time with my questions. All we want to do is provide for our families, pay our bills, not make our kids chose between two sports. ####, I just want to hand my credit card over to a waiter and not have to worry about it going thru. So my advice to the current regime is pack your bags and make your plans, your time is over, and my advice to the new regime is remeber your decisions effect alot of hard working people, make them wisely.

JackaBilly,

The US AIRWAYS members have a tremendous opportunity this time, like they haven't had before. Instead of blocking thousands of votes for United slanted tickets and then getting limited resources and communication for the US AIRWAYS members, those votes can be blocked and packaged to support a ticket that treats the US AIRWAYS members with equal representation as the United members. Regardless, if you like your AGC or not, your AGC has almost double the work as a United AGC, per capita. The US AIRWAYS members voted in block to support the previous ticket, however, the resources haven't been equally shared as expected. Brother Delaney hasn't shown up, except for the 60 day windows around election time.

As aside, it should repulse any union person that our District decided to contract out with a firm for a few thousand shirts that were made in child labor camps in Vietnam. If you have one of those "I AM Union" Polo shirts then please dispose of it. If you don't know what they look like then just watch Brother Delaney's latest Video message to the US AIRWAYS members on iam141.org. Human Rights Watch has Vietnam as one of the top 3 countries for acts against workers and has the highest child labor rate in the world. It blows China away. It isn't right for any union to purchase and order things from Vietnam on your dime.

regards,

Tim Nelson

 

[baggage engineer]

ok let me get this right. the IAM cuts our pension fund. (to save money) they raise our dues (to generate money) and now they buy SWEATSHOP clothing. WTH is going on
who is in charge of ordering materials for the union some secretary that doesn't know how to read MADE IN THE USA. this union is a joke.

 

[700UW]

The International and the Pension Fund are two total separate entities, the pension fund has a board of trustees made up of Union and Company members and has its own independent director running the fund.