that is a well thought out, intelligent theory, but we are talking about the IAM, sorry to disprove your theory so easily.. 😛 😛 😀
IAM refuses Bonus payout for west
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that is a well thought out, intelligent theory, but we are talking about the IAM, sorry to disprove your theory so easily.. 😛 😛 😀
IAM is mechanics, right? Does this only affect IAM-Westies or "America West" as a whole?
It seems like I am now a paying member of CWA/IBT. 😵
Fly, If you are in the CSR group which when you say IBT/CWA I believe you are, than yes, you are included in profit sharing. During negotiations, CWA-this is only heresay, said yes and than tried to weasel out of of allowing west CSR's to be included. Apparently, someone on the IBT side took really good notes and it could not be contested. So, YES we are included but I will stand with the rest of the west employees that have not been included. East side better be prepared to answer for this, I hope Doug gives them compensation in the form of Award Pay which should be deducted from the profitsharing pool-I think he should write it off as a union expense and give them just a tad more to shove it down your throats. These are the things that are to be remembered when you ask for support in a possible future strike situation. If you screw your brothers now, you will NOT have my support if ever needed. Some things CAN come back to haunt you.
Well though out Bob but there is more to it as I see it, the IAM keeps preaching unity and solidarity this just shatters all and any hope of that ever happening, it just creates a rift making EAST verses WEST for life no matter what kind of contracts are EVER reached!
This seems to play right to ol Al Hemmingway's game plan, as there is no way on earth that Dougie's going to add more money to the profit sharing cover the West as far as they are concerned the attitude is let them fight! That is proven in Al's letter to the WEST tech.
Also as the EAST has pointed out for at least the 14 millionth and one time, the HP group was NOT part of the last US BK (BELIEVE ME ALL OF US IN THE WEST ARE PAINFULLY AWHERE OF THIS FACT) oh and as the EAST has also pointed out HP never gave up the amounts that the EAST did in that BK but they continuely over look the FACT we NEVER EVER MADE THAT to give it back. The whole time that the East was making all the really good money and vacation and all we where making was basically NUTS!!!!! Under Bill Frankie.
So sorry I don't quite FEEL all that pity for the EAST since we never had a bite at the overall BIG APPLE to begin with (welcome to OUR world), NOW you add in Delta and all I've heard from the EAST is whinning,
WELL DELTA HAS HIGHER SENIORITY THEN WE DO,
WILL THEY GET DATE OF HIRE OR DOVE TAIL THEM?
CAN DOUGIE ASSURE US THAT CLT WILL REMAIN OPEN?
Seems alot like the East is just in this for the East NOT the betterment of the group as a whole just the East. The rest of us are just little red headed step children along for thier ride and the IAM is just helping thier cause.
This seems to play right to ol Al Hemmingway's game plan, as there is no way on earth that Dougie's going to add more money to the profit sharing cover the West as far as they are concerned the attitude is let them fight! That is proven in Al's letter to the WEST tech.
Also as the EAST has pointed out for at least the 14 millionth and one time, the HP group was NOT part of the last US BK (BELIEVE ME ALL OF US IN THE WEST ARE PAINFULLY AWHERE OF THIS FACT) oh and as the EAST has also pointed out HP never gave up the amounts that the EAST did in that BK but they continuely over look the FACT we NEVER EVER MADE THAT to give it back. The whole time that the East was making all the really good money and vacation and all we where making was basically NUTS!!!!! Under Bill Frankie.
So sorry I don't quite FEEL all that pity for the EAST since we never had a bite at the overall BIG APPLE to begin with (welcome to OUR world), NOW you add in Delta and all I've heard from the EAST is whinning,
WELL DELTA HAS HIGHER SENIORITY THEN WE DO,
WILL THEY GET DATE OF HIRE OR DOVE TAIL THEM?
CAN DOUGIE ASSURE US THAT CLT WILL REMAIN OPEN?
Seems alot like the East is just in this for the East NOT the betterment of the group as a whole just the East. The rest of us are just little red headed step children along for thier ride and the IAM is just helping thier cause.
17, You have said it so well! West never gave back because they never had the money to give back!!! We will stand together on this! You are also right about East worried about seniority but no one gave a hoot about HP being a baby airline in comparison. Anyone remember the boarding threads? First come or DOH? It was okay as long as you had the seniority, but now that the shoe may be on the other foot for some groups, they seem to think to think its okay to whine. Keep that Karma in check.
Wow phxmama, this really stinks. I can think of a lot more reasons why mechanics should be included rather than myself. We are all in this, and I believe it should be everyone or no one.
I guess I don't understand why the unions have anything to do with it. Isn't it the corporation as a whole contributing the money? Are they giving the money to the unions for them to distribute? Sorry, this union stuff is all new to me.. but sounds to like someone got "IAM Screwed" (like on their website.)
Mr Eagle
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NO We Are Getting What Is Called -{Minus}-PAYBACK'S.
Some US Airways People Think They Are The Only People that Have Suffer'ed.We Have Gone Thru BK's Also & We Have Not Had a Raise in over three Year's.
MWW
Hmm. So sortof like retro-pay? Backpay? Or..
Anyhow.. no raise in three years? That's harsh.
Like I said, I believe there are definitely people out there that deserve whatever payout is out there.. more than myself or others around me. Yes, we make money for the company, but we aren't the front line people who serve the customers face to face or make sure the product we sell (airplane seats) remain safe.
No, that is something entrusted to the mechanics who seem to be getting screwed, I don't care if people look at this from "HP" side or "US" side.. I thought we were trying to become one airline???? It seems like people are cherry picking when we should be one airline and when we should be two!!!!!!
Mr Eagle
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Yes I Do Agree Brother, By The Way I am A Tech,AMT. We Need to Stay in touch with the Issue's,That is US AIRWAYS AS ONE. ALL though We In The WEST, Have Been Excluded By Our Own IAM Brother's as Far as the PROFIT SHARING,We Are Concerned in the WEST,That This May Be Come A Pattern for Managment To Use To As COST NUETRAL,USING EAST VS WEST.
ALSO We Feel THat We are Becoming The MINORITY WEST.
SegmentKing
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I am quickly understanding the arguments.
The problem the West doesn't understand is this profit sharing is NOT a benefit, its a contractual requirement of the IAM under the *EAST* contract.
If the West folks are now IAM, working under the IAM contract, then they too should be included.
MMW, long time since I've seen ya in here!
I didn't even hit on the fact that the West has not had pay raise's in the past 3 years and long in some case's.
But this is all about the GREED in the East, WE ALL played apart in the company becoming profitible not just the East and the way Dougie laided it out there, my feeling is that the company should dole out the profit sharing checks as they do the Hat Trick money, evenly to all personnel that qualify for the money. Not give it to the union to take thier cut off the top and then decide who get's what!
But you know us out West here really don't count anyway's after talking to a transistion board member they want any work brought in by the company to go back East to CLT, PHL and PIT screwing Us out here!
They also want to leave it as those are the ONLY base maintenance stations and leave PHX as a line maint. so that if Dougie needs to cut jobs some where in there it will be line stations that take the hit!
I didn't even hit on the fact that the West has not had pay raise's in the past 3 years and long in some case's.
But this is all about the GREED in the East, WE ALL played apart in the company becoming profitible not just the East and the way Dougie laided it out there, my feeling is that the company should dole out the profit sharing checks as they do the Hat Trick money, evenly to all personnel that qualify for the money. Not give it to the union to take thier cut off the top and then decide who get's what!
But you know us out West here really don't count anyway's after talking to a transistion board member they want any work brought in by the company to go back East to CLT, PHL and PIT screwing Us out here!
They also want to leave it as those are the ONLY base maintenance stations and leave PHX as a line maint. so that if Dougie needs to cut jobs some where in there it will be line stations that take the hit!
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Welcome to USAIRWAYS, This is just the first in many dissapionments to come.
They are NOT working under the IAM/US CBA, they are still working under the ibt/HP CBA until a transition agreement is reached.
question, when the transition to the east us cba is complete, probably within the next 6 months, then the west will fall under the profit sharing section, therefore be entitled to the monies. is this correct???
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Yes thats 100% correct! I for one am pulling for big profits in 2007 to share with yous guys out west in Feb. 2008.
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