IBEW UPDATE 11Nov-

[orioleman]

the writing is on the wall for those cities, the wording in the last t/a is exactly the same as what we had

in our BK contract. back then the IAM could justify it . by saying they need that to stay alive. Now HOW do they justify ..

they can't . the company wants all cities gone other than the hubs and a few major focus cities and the IAM is giving it them on

a silver platter. I know this is new for you guys out there but it's the same broken record back east except different locals

 

[orioleman]

joe,
isn't past your bedtime.. :bleh: 😎 🙂

 

[orioleman]

pj says
"When we win the COC and the I AM MANAGEMENT tries to bargain away any award due us, we as a whole in the east should and will vote down anything that denies us that award. Just FYI."

Very GOOD point my friend.. couldn't have said better myself

and for the westies. figure out when you started paying IAM dues (that by they way are in a trust somewhere) from that point

that is where your award should start.. SO the longer it takes the company to come to terms the MORE your award accrues.

 

[perserverance]

for some of the newbies on hear .. can you repost some of the IBEW highlights of what type of union they are
how there union is run and some of the other fields they represent besides electrical .. maybe educational for some that maybe
new to how a real union runs . and operates.

thks

The IBEW :

''The International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW) represents approximately 1,000,000 members who work in a wide variety of fields, including utilities, construction, telecommunications, broadcasting, manufacturing, railroads and government. The IBEW has members in both the United States and Canada and stands out among the American unions in the AFL-CIO because it is among the largest and has members in so many skilled occupations.''

To my brothers and sisters in the West,
Please remember the IAM still does not have your dues as of yet. You have to be
brought under agreement. The IAM tried to do this but through the TA. They (iam) wanted the dues
the company wanted the extension. The IAM wants that money, for that matter an extension would also provide financial benifits for the company. Now , the question was asked before, ''What
would happen if the IAM never brought us under agreement ? and the IBEW took over as our
represenitive ?'' I asked the IBEW that very question and thier answer was one of two
scenario's ...1.) The dues would be returned to the individual worker based on his/her contribution.
2.) The IAM may seek to recieve those dues through a court action.....The one thing they knew
for sure was the dues would not be thier's for purely being the elected represenitive. They
want to earn that..............


Thanks

 

[orioleman]

perv,
correct me if I am wrong but doesn't the IBEW have something like 77% participation in there pension.. VS 30 something %

in the IAM

 

[freedom]

Freedom,
Let's not make this an East vs. West thing. There were alot of things that needed to be fixed in that last TA. First if the company was so sure that we would lose, then why did/are they appealing the decision to let an arbitrator rule on it. Second, if the company thought that we would lose, why would we throw it out in the last TA? Let alone have our own union sell it down the river. When we win the COC, you watch, the I AM MANAGEMENT will try to sell any award down the river to line their own pockets. Let me just put this warning out to our west brothers and sisters. When we win the COC and the I AM MANAGEMENT tries to bargain away any award due us, we as a whole in the east should and will vote down anything that denies us that award. Just FYI. Just ask any east employee if he/she is willing to give back to the company a $15,000 to for some $35,000 retro check. I do not think so.

ah ah! now your getting to the truth of the matter lol , of course this is something we all know but none of us speak about because its our dirty little secret .

This is yet another reason why I think there’s been a large push on the East side to get rid of the IAM , it’s the fear that the IAM will sell away the COC …

Well I have news for you pj , if you win we WILL PUSH FOR THE IAM TO TRADE IN YOUR REWARD!!!! , lol jk , but a lot of you east guys won’t catch this for a minute while you go red with rage lol .no pj , I don’t think you have to worry about us in the west suggesting something like that , I don’t know what kind of people you think we might be , but we’re not like that .You’ve suffered enough through two BK’s , you need not suffer more .Besides , if it came down to a vote on it , every single east worker would show up to vote !lol

Once again , why has the company taken every measure to delay the COC , or attempt to block it ? Why because that’s just good management , the longer they drag out this issue the better for them , also it would be negligent on their part if they didn’t take every option to derail it possible . For instance , just imagine if there were no COC right now and we were just in talks , can you just picture what we could do to this company with the holiday season on hand ?

 

[perserverance]

Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't the IBEW have something like 77% participation in there pension.. VS 30 something %
in the IAM

Correct,
The IBEW pension has 2.5x the participation of that of the IAM. The IAM pension as of
now is underfunded with apx. a 30% participation while the IBEW pension is overfunded with
the apx. 75% participation. The IBEW is growing while membership in the IAM has dropped
significantly in just the past 5 years. The IBEW is growing with apx. 1,000,000 members in all
fields and all crafts.

Freedom- Just to let you know I'd sell that CIC back in a heartbeat if the company added that
value to an agreement, instead of just the East. I'd love to see a 5 or six year deal with good
wages and etc.........you along with other posters' always speak of being realistic. I believe in
being realistic and observant. We deserve so much more and I don't agree in selling our value
so short. This airline relies just as much on us as any other class. Don't believe that, the difference
in Phl right now is the wages and dignity lost.. Again just so you know...in a heartbeat to get the security of a good agreement.
Thanks

 

[freedom]

Hey perserverance , you never replied to my question about the IAM dues going up , i posted right below you , could you eloberate more on the dues going up that you spoke about ?

 

[pjirish317]

Freedom,
In no way am I suggesting that our brothers and sisters on the west would deny us that. I was just trying to be honest. It has always been the tactics of the I AM MANAGEMENT to use such actions for their own personal gain. I think that the I AM MANAGEMENT believes that we owe them and the company. I strongly disagree with that! The company/I AM MANAGEMENT owes us. You say you want some excitement, watch what happens when we win the COC and the company denies us that win by trying to fight the decision. What a great holiday season that will be.

 

[pjirish317]

[/qoute]
Freedom- Just to let you know I'd sell that CIC back in a heartbeat if the company added that
value to an agreement, instead of just the East. I'd love to see a 5 or six year deal with good
wages and etc.........you along with other posters' always speak of being realistic. I believe in
being realistic and observant. We deserve so much more and I don't agree in selling our value
so short. This airline relies just as much on us as any other class. Don't believe that, the difference
in Phl right now is the wages and dignity lost.. Again just so you know...in a heartbeat to get the security of a good agreement.
Thanks
[/quote]
I agree with perserverance in that it would have to be a great TA. With sick time used should be sick time paid. Vacations/Holidays with the option on Holidays. Doubletime. I know that you disagree with me on this but NO OUTSOURCING. Hourly wage of at least $21 or better with annual increases. I could go on but it would have to start there. Anything short of this should be dead in the water.

 

[freedom]

I’m actually quite glad that you feel the way you do and think that you are justified in demanding those working conditions and wages ! I’ve always had a problem with pushing for more than I think I’m worth so to speak , we need men like you to push the envelope ! If it were left up to guys like me all negotiations would be zero sum gains .

 

[Ramp Rogue]

The main thing that has to be in any T/A is DOH seniority. It is not fair for some to go by DOH, and others to not go by it. If you have been on the ramp since day one, and never transferred out of the ramp you should go by DOH. That is what west goes by, that is what the lucky ones in east go by. To make the playing field equal, everyone should go by DOH. Remember folks, there is a possibility of future mergers down the line. DOH is a major key in combining workforces. Remember you read it here first.

 

[Labor Dawg]

Freedom Believe it or not there are a lot of guys like pjirish. The problem is that we are too complacent and just non involved. That has allowed the IAM to continue to have a strong hold. I would love to have a serious sit down with the west employees and get their ideas and put them together with the east side ideas. This would create a guide line of what we want from our union. The only problem is we currently have a union that has continued to listen only to the 30 pieces of silver that they get from the company{pos space}. We must use this forum for all the employees? Getting involved in your local will be your best chance at having control over your leaders. The IBEW is waiting to see if you really want a change. I personally like choices so I would say get slates together for your cities with the IAM on the property. If they are good for you there, then they will be good for you when they have even more power with the IBEW on the property! The reason I say this is because their dues start in the local and a lesser percentage goes up to the International. This means the local keeps more of your dues. This will help when you have issues on the local level. You want have to beg & plead for your dues to work for you! This is not about East vs West. This is about the haves and the have nots! I know which one I am. Ramp DOH is a very serious issue and needs to be handled with proper negotiations. I agree that some people have gotten away with false hire dates and other manipulations of the seniority list. That is a very sensitive issue. Each and every one of us will have an issue either pay, seniority, benefits, language, work rules, and scope. If the IBEW is on the property at least we will have a new face on these issues. Right now we have a 30 year United board member deciding things for us. Do you think he really feels your pain on any issue? I am by no means trying to side step the issue, but what might be a priority to you may not be for others. It is however a very important issue to many and I think it will be looked at if the IBEW is on the property.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Freedom,
In no way am I suggesting that our brothers and sisters on the west would deny us that. I was just trying to be honest. It has always been the tactics of the I AM MANAGEMENT to use such actions for their own personal gain. I think that the I AM MANAGEMENT believes that we owe them and the company. I strongly disagree with that! The company/I AM MANAGEMENT owes us. You say you want some excitement, watch what happens when we win the COC and the company denies us that win by trying to fight the decision. What a great holiday season that will be.

as the east knows, if the award is won, there will be no new agreement for the east that east will vote in. In fact, the east won't want to go to negotiatins for the next 6 years once an award is won [insert big back pay also]. The west will also come under the east agreement once the IAM gets out of the company bed. I've never heard where the surviving group has to take cuts and concessions to merge in the other group. This benefits the west, however, they better get their section 6's going as opposed to believing the IAM saying the east will vote in a new deal.
The east voted out the last contract by 87% before it knew the COC would win, what do you folks think the east will do after a COC win?

regards,

 

[Hadenough]

Freedom
I too would sell the COC win for a decent agreement that included both east and west. I expect the IAM to take the COC win and get us(east and west) a decent contract. Do not sell yourself short. We are worth more than that last T/A sugested.