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[smmech]

try looking into union case law and findings for representation under single carrier status. 🙂

None there have similar situation..

 

[AIRWOMAN]

None there have similar situation..

Isn't it time to NOT be another "cookie" out of the NMB cookie cutter decisions??

 

[320tech]

Go read the latest filings, America West is now a subsidiary of US Airways Group, HP stockholders were given US stock.

And AWA did not buy US, it is a merger funded by outside investors.

So why is Labor Relations Negotiating a transition agreement with the IAM to being the US/west under the IAM CBA?

hey 700 this was in the just plane news web sight from the company.

bizjournals.com
US Airways outlines merger dangers
Friday November 25, 10:36 am ET


US Airways Group Inc. will face "significant challenges" in consolidating functions with America West Group Holdings Corp. and keeping key personnel, according to a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
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US Airways continues to experience significant operating losses that are likely to continue into next year. The filing says the combined carrier may not perform as expected.

America West bought US Airways, which was operating under Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, in September in a $1.5 billion deal. The merged airline (NYSE:LCC - News) adopted the US Airways name and made its headquarters to Tempe, Ariz.




just a question for mr 700, if you say per your contract that your contract stays no matter what then why dosen't the next paragraph get enforced: please read and answer don't give me your standard answer that this is not from the real iam contract!

3
Upon a change in control defined as the sale of all or substantially all of the assets 4
or common stock of the Company or US Airways Group in a single transaction (or in 5
multi-step related transactions) to a single purchaser (or a group of purchasers acting in 6
concert), the hourly rates of pay under this agreement shall be increased to the rates 7
which would have been effective following the Pay Parity Adjustment in October 2003 8
under the Pay Parity Letter of Agreement. In addition to such hourly rates of pay, the 9
IAM will have the right to extend the duration of the IAM Restructuring Agreement for 10
one, two or three years at the IAM’s option, past the amendable date of the IAM 11
Restructuring Agreement, with across the board wage increases of four and one half 12
percent (4.5%) on the amendable date and on each of the three (3) annual anniversaries of 13
the amendable date thereafter (i.e. 12/31/08, 12/31/09 and 12/31/10). For the purposes of 14
this paragraph, “Common Stockâ€￾ is the Common Stock of US Airways Group then 15
outstanding and the Common Stock issuable on exchange, exercise, and/or conversion of 16
securities of the Company or US Airways Group which are then currently exchangeable 17
into, exercisable for, or convertible into such Common stock

 

[700UW]

A grievance has been filed by the IAM and is waiting to be heard. AFA is going to or has filed and the CWA has filed also.

The company is claiming that AWA is a subsidary of US Airways Group Inc.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

This is my way of looking at the entire union thing.....it pains me that a grievance has to be filed every time the contract is not followed.........whether it's for rain gear, a posting of seniority lists or this. Sad that neither side can follow the rules that they have set for themselves, voted on and signed off on. :angry: :down:

 

[smmech]

This is my way of looking at the entire union thing.....it pains me that a grievance has to be filed every time the contract is not followed.........whether it's for rain gear, a posting of seniority lists or this. Sad that neither side can follow the rules that they have set for themselves, voted on and signed off on. :angry: :down:

It is a montster... IBT's way has allways been "do what they say and then griev it".. Works well , you f'up and get walked out. Then griev it get paid, come back to work.. Vacation.

This info about IAM's CBA art. 3 is different..

I saw artical 3 from the IAM contract weeks ago and something trigered me a few days ago to take another look.
Bear with me I just watched War of the Worlds...lol.
700 is the IAM really going after this? "the hourly rates of pay under this agreement shall be increased to the rates which would have been effective following the Pay Parity Adjustment in October 2003 under the Pay Parity Letter of Agreement." wouldnt that cut their own throuts?

Not saying Im against that but???

 

[AIRWOMAN]

It is a montster... IBT's way has allways been "do what they say and then griev it".. Works well , you f'up and get walked out. Then griev it get paid, come back to work.. Vacation.

This info about IAM's CBA art. 3 is different..

I saw artical 3 from the IAM contract weeks ago and something trigered me a few days ago to take another look.
Bear with me I just watched War of the Worlds...lol.
700 is the IAM really going after this? "the hourly rates of pay under this agreement shall be increased to the rates which would have been effective following the Pay Parity Adjustment in October 2003 under the Pay Parity Letter of Agreement." wouldnt that cut their own throuts?

Not saying Im against that but???

You'll see on another thread that there has been a grievance filed..........doesn't matter who's name is on the union.......it's all the same.

 

[calibrator]

You'll see on another thread that there has been a grievance filed..........doesn't matter who's name is on the union.......it's all the same.

I am sorry to inform the individuals here but anyone working in the airline industry and especially an airline walking on egg shells like this "new" airline is doing, has got to be extremely nervous or totally ignorant of the realities facing them.

These harsh realities will dictate what the unions accept and what they don't and NOT the contracts or this union or that union. The unions will do as told for one reason, THEY MUST, if they are to remain in existence. All this back and forth: this union says that, that union says this, this contract say that, that contract says this, is a total waste of your time and energy.

The unions, NO MATTER What Union, will do the company’s bidding WHATEVER that dictates. They have no other choice. You guys are too close to see this, but mark my works, whatever union or contract is used, the company will have the FINAL and ACTUAL say even if that means throwing out the contracts completely.

I don't care what the IAM contract says, or the AFA says, they are useless piece of wet paper in this dire situation, MARK MY WORDS.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Gee..........this is happening with other unions as well. The following is a partial quote from another thread.

The best thing to do at the very least is give TWU a Chance by signing a card saying you want an election.

Get this mess to a point where you have a CHOICE!!

 

[gonzo]

this union says that, that union says this, this contract say that, that contract says this, is a total waste of your time and energy.

Even reading your "replies" to posts is not a TOTAL waste of time........ 🙂

 

[calibrator]

Even reading your "replies" to posts is not a TOTAL waste of time........ 🙂

I think you understand my point....

Whatever it takes to make it work will dictate what the contracts says or doesn't say and NOT what a contract signed in the PAST says.

700 on here always saying: we have this, we have that--- when in reality, the IAM nor any union has any REAL power or say, but instead the INDUSTRY will dictate your fate, and not some union.

C-O-M-M-O-N...Sense___Is not some common

 

[AIRWOMAN]

I think you understand my point....

Whatever it takes to make it work will dictate what the contracts says or doesn't say and NOT what a contract signed in the PAST says.

700 on here always saying: we have this, we have that--- when in reality, the IAM nor any union has any REAL power or say, but instead the INDUSTRY will dictate your fate, and not some union.

C-O-M-M-O-N...Sense___Is not some common

Totally understand your point and that is why you need to be able to VOTE and TRY to get the best that you can....during these crazy times.

 

[gonzo]

I think you understand my point....

Whatever it takes to make it work will dictate what the contracts says or doesn't say and NOT what a contract signed in the PAST says.

700 on here always saying: we have this, we have that--- when in reality, the IAM nor any union has any REAL power or say, but instead the INDUSTRY will dictate your fate, and not some union.

C-O-M-M-O-N...Sense___Is not some common

I don't believe that a union or company will dictate anyone's fate. The laws will dictate the fate of both a union and a company. The way either one uses the laws will dictate the fate of the union members and the company.
"It's not how tough your union or company is, it's how tough and knowledgeable is your attorney?".

If we want to make our future more secure then we need to change the laws that favor the "big business" groups. 🙂

 

[calibrator]

I don't believe that a union or company will dictate anyone's fate. The laws will dictate the fate of both a union and a company. The way either one uses the laws will dictate the fate of the union members and the company.
"It's not how tough your union or company is, it's how tough and knowledgeable is your attorney?".

If we want to make our future more secure then we need to change the laws that favor the "big business" groups. 🙂

Law favor business, therefore I am correct, attorneys favor money, business has more.

Common Sense trumps everything

 

[gonzo]

Law favor business, therefore I am correct, attorneys favor money, business has more.

Common Sense trumps everything

In the BK law, yes it favors business and stock holders. You will find that the courts will favor the individuals over the businesses most of the time. Except in BK law.

Are you saying that attorneys should not be paid for the service they provide. You favor money also, don't you? You must, because you do not hesitate to "brag" about how much more you make than the unionized people.

Yes, companies have more money, normally. So better to have a "pool" of money for a common cause. The pooling of money for that common cause is best done as a group. "Gee let's think about that", a union would have a pool of money from its membership, and they could use it to pay for attorney costs. Hmmmmmm........go figure.

Unions are not perfect but its better to be part of one than not to be part of one. 🙂