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Is It Right Screwing Over The Airline Operations

Should people be fired/held accountable for severe disruptions

  • Yes, people should be fired disciplined for this

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  • No, it is just a part of unionism and negotiations, ect.

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700UW said:
Planejane if you fired them the majority would get their jobs back and all the back pay.

You simply just can't fire someone without the just cause test passing
[post="231876"][/post]​

That's THE problem with unions.
Judgement calls can't be made
in situations such as this and that
gives the union members no
reason to be above board with their
actions. They should all be fired
and required to write letters of
apology to the customers. Period.
 
TheLazarusman,

My apologies for inserting a non-pertinent post in the thread.

Jim
 
700UW said:
Why don't you get rid of unproductive executives and managers who have run this company into the ground.

Well if the passengers knew, they would know why this company is in shambles.

You forget those very said employees have all ready given back 20,000 less jobs and over $2.4 billion in concessions since 9/02.
[post="231952"][/post]​

Dude:

Give it up. You're really starting to
make yourself look stupid.
 
BoeingBoy said:
TheLazarusman,

My apologies for inserting a non-pertinent post in the thread.

Jim
[post="232101"][/post]​

Man...I don't want to seem like a horses' a$$, and it was really nothing personal against you, BoeingBoy. I'm more concerned with whatever bone firstamendment has to pick with me! I sincerely hope you don't think I had one to pick with you.
The Lazarusman
FSA Lead
USAirways DFW
 
That's THE problem with unions.
Judgement calls can't be made
in situations such as this and that
gives the union members no
reason to be above board with their
actions. They should all be fired
and required to write letters of
apology to the customers. Period.

Sorry I don't have a cute picture of Timmy in a wheelchair or somesuch to go along with my screen name. Oh well.

IF anyone owes anyone a letter of apology for anything....it would be the management of the abomination known as USAirways. You know, we should have an abbreviation for them....something like TSCAFKAATU

(the so-called airline formerly known as Allegheny and then USAir)

Why would management need to apologize?

Well, let's see.....how does screwing the clientele, squeezing people for every penny they can simply because they can.......because people had no other options sound? I would think that would constitute a sin worthy of an apology.

Did management squander all the shareholders' equity in a first bankruptcy (not to mention a second)?

Did management fail to act in a fiduciarily sound manner after the first bankruptcy, or did they squander concessions and additional financing and end up in bankruptcy court again?

Has the management bargained in good faith at any time or have they agreed to employee contracts, then violated the terms of said contracts, then relied on a friendly bankruptcy judge to give them what they could not gain thru bargaining, even if they had bargained in good faith (they hadn't)?

USAirways is a clear cut case of as ye sow, so shall ye reap. You don't throw good money after bad. Sometimes it is time to fish or cut bait and sometimes it is better to cut your losses and run.

Humans are, first and foremost, mammals (albeit not cute and lovable marine mammals like Flipper). Mammals are animals. You back any animal into a corner, and give them no course of escape, and threaten their very survival.....that animal is gonna claw you , bite you, or do whatever he or she can do to spoil your day.

Why is it any surprise that employees are behaving as they are? Do I condone it. Nah, it was not a good thing to do. Do I understand why they did it? Sure. Anyone who doesn't is too ignernt for words. They were given no alternatives.

You can fire the culprits....but that probably won't be enough to satiate the USAirways management apologists and other silly people. They'd like to have the call-in-sick crowd drawn and quartered....or at the very least lines up on the ramp with a firing squad.

Then again, the bullets are probably in one of the bags that got flown to Charlotte for collection & redistribution.
 

You are a sad person, if you actually believe what you typed.

Call the EAS immediatly. You just lost any credibility you had left.

You need an extended trip to the cornfield for what you typed.
 
ELP_WN_Psgr said:



....You can fire the culprits....but that probably won't be enough to satiate the USAirways management apologists and other silly people. They'd like to have the call-in-sick crowd drawn and quartered....or at the very least lines up on the ramp with a firing squad.

Then again, the bullets are probably in one of the bags that got flown to Charlotte for collection & redistribution.
[post="232107"][/post]​


700UW said:
You are a sad person, if you actually believe what you typed.

Call the EAS immediatly. You just lost any credibility you had left.

You need an extended trip to the cornfield for what you typed.
[post="232117"][/post]​


I doubt if a firing squad is an appropriate response; but a you're fired squad would suit me just fine.
 
700UW said:
You are a sad person, if you actually believe what you typed.

Call the EAS immediatly. You just lost any credibility you had left.

You need an extended trip to the cornfield for what you typed.
[post="232117"][/post]​

If I had my way, all of the IAM members
would be working at Denny's.
 
Well guess what there Sparky?

You don't have your way and you need to seek professional help.

There are over 9,000 IAM Members at US Airways that keep the planes in the air, this was an isolated incident with PHL Fleet Service.

Get a clue.
 
I debated starting a new thread, but thought better of it so here it is....

What is somewhat amusing is that lots of folks seem to believe that everything would have been wonderful the last several days if only those malcontents hadn't called in sick when they weren't. So let's put a little perspective on our "normal" operation.

The Sunday before Christmas (the 19th) - a pretty normal operational day:

Arrivals (less than 15 min late) - 55.3% mainline, 56.3 express.
Passengers arriving without bags (per 1000) - 7.2 mainline, 10.3 express.

Monday (the 20th) - again a pretty normal operational day:

Arrivals (less than 15 min late) - 57.1% mainline, 45.6% express.
Passengers arriving without bags (per 1000) - 11.3 mainline, 19.8 express.

Wednesday (the 22nd) - the weather is starting to move into the midwest but not having much effect on our system yet:

Arrivals (less than 15 min late) - 65.1% mainline, 60.0 express.
Passengers arriving without bags (per 1000) - 10.6 mainline, 18.8 express.

Now, on Thursday we were booked for 205,000 passengers and the weather was impacting the operation. Take the baggage numbers for Wednesday and apply them to Thursday's bookings and you get 5,617 passengers arriving at their destination without their bags. One would only assume that the weather on Thursday would have compounded the problem without an extra sick call.

Oh, one other thing.....

On Sunday, the 19th, we cancelled 5.4% of our total flights (mainline + express). On Monday the 20th, we cancelled 5.2% of out total flights. On Wednesday, the 22nd, we cancelled 2.9% of total flights. The web site says we operate 3285 flights a day - or 167 cancellations on that Sunday, 184 cancellations on that Monday, and 95 on that Wednesday. Those numbers don't make the cancellations on the 23rd, 24th, and 25th sound too bad, do they?

Jim
 
700UW said:
Well guess what there Sparky?

You don't have your way and you need to seek professional help.

Nope. I don't have my way. Too bad.
I'm not crying about it.

But Bruce Lakefield WILL have his
way and hopefully, negative people
like YOU will be working at Denny's.

I don't need professional help, all
I need is to see you and your type
extricated from the company, hopefully
PAINFULLY extricated. That would
certainly make my day.

Oh, and by the way, I supported the
IAM in the A320 outsourcing issue
because I firmly believe in the talents
of the US mechanics and have doubts
about the contract shops. But, you have
severely soured my opinion of ALL IAM
personnel and my belief is not so
good these days.
 
Did you see the IAM mechanic and related 6,000 employees pull a sickout?

Nope they did not.

Did you see anyother IAM Fleet Service besides PHL have a sickout?

Nope the did not.

I am not negative, I believe in fighting for my IAM Brothers and Sisters, and not rollover and give this company back more when they pissed away $2.4 Billion all ready from the employees and $1.6 Billion from vendors, without gaurantees and returns.

Guess you have no idea of the process of negotiations.

You are shallow and need to get a reality check.

You blame 9,000 people for the act of one small group in PHL?

Get a clue.
 
700UW said:
Did you see the IAM mechanic and related 6,000 employees pull a sickout?

Nope they did not.

Did you see anyother IAM Fleet Service besides PHL have a sickout?

Nope the did not.

I am not negative, I believe in fighting for my IAM Brothers and Sisters, and not rollover and give this company back more when they pissed away $2.4 Billion all ready from the employees and $1.6 Billion from vendors, without gaurantees and returns.

Guess you have no idea of the process of negotiations.

You are shallow and need to get a reality check.

You blame 9,000 people for the act of one small group in PHL?

Get a clue.
[post="232134"][/post]​

Thank you for pointing out to those who are not in the know that this was an isolated incident. The grand majority of us in Fleet Service were unaware of what was going to take place in PHL. Most of us were appalled that it did. Many of us feel that those involved should be terminated for their actions. We are not selfish; but we have no desire to give the company back more when they pissed away what we gave them the first time. We're willing to do our part to return this company to profitability; but where's the master plan? Where are the blueprints? And why won't the company show them to us? Where's the good faith gesture on their part? IMHO a real nice good faith gesture would be offering a seat of power to Gordon Bethune. Wishful thinking? Maybe not. Anyway, all of Fleet Service is not to blame for what happened; and those who are should be sought out and terminated. No questions asked. They have waived their rights to a judge and jury. They called out sick to try and make a point; if they're caught in a lie, the point should be that they're gone....PERIOD!!! The actions of certain F/A's accross the system, and the fleet service agents in PHL yesterday do not represent the employees of USAirways as a whole. We as a whole are committed to returning this airline to profitability and giving the customer the best possible product we can.

The Lazarusman
FSA Lead
USAirways DFW
 
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