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Well out HOPEFUL, They all have their own agenda. And we the people do not have much say at all.Hopeful said:
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How long before China is doing a B Check on the first Triple 7 that overnights there.
My guess is the first night.
Hopeful said:
Yea but we dont have to deal with Carter or Clinton, however we do have to deal with Bush. The question is do we absolve Bush of present and future transgressions because of what Carter did over 25 years ago or what Clinton did 10 years ago?
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TIME FOR CHANGE said:
Gee, second thread you've posted that in today.
Just how many B checks do we do in LHR, EZE, GIG, GRU or any of the Caribbean cities today?....
Bush supposedly encourages trade with China, Clinton helped give them our nuclear missle technology. Which exactly was worse?...
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Bob Owens said:
So you have judged Clinton and Carter.
When they were in office, did you know for sure their transgessions of the future?
I bet that 10 and 25 years from now you will be blaming Bush for everything at that point in time.
Why do you absolve Carter and Clinton of their PAST actions?
Did not deregulation start this ball rolling in the industry? PATCO was the next blow to labor thanks to Ronnie. NAFTA?
True, we see in realtime what Bush's policies are doing. No argument there!
But looking back, you can't exactly say that NAFTA and DEREGULATION were just minor changes in the US history.
TIME FOR CHANGE said:
Doubt that any 777s will ever overnight in China, unless they are broken. How many 777s overnight at NRT?
I checked the schedule - unless one breaks, generally every 777 at NRT is emptied, cleaned, refueled, catered, and overnights over the Pacific Ocean on its way back to either SJC, LAX, DFW, ORD or JFK. Most of AA's 777s spend less than 3 hours on the ground at NRT. Is that enough time to squeeze in a B check?
Overnighting 777s at PVG would require an extra airplane (3 instead of 2). It would take many years of maintenance savings to buy that extra $180 million airplane. But then you knew that. Nice try. 🙄
FWAAA said:
Overnight can also mean extensive time on the ground during the day. At NRT, everyday a PS check is performed on that 777. When we flew the TPE trip, an A-check was performed each day, the holds true for many South America trips that arrive in the morning on a red-eye and departs in the evening back to the US.
Now I'm not sure what the difference is with swapping out planes for the route as they come in to B-check at DFW or PVG. It is still 3 for 2 and except for the intial flight over to China to start the rotation, I don't see a difference. I do think it would be foolish on AA's part to do it, but certainly won't cost $180 million.
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I still don't see it happening.
The brunt of east-west flying departs the eastern point in the morning/afternoon, and arrives in the early afternoon/evening at the western point.
West-east flying typically departs the western point in the evening, arriving back at the eastern point in the morning.
There's just not an opportunity to have a long ground time unless you're operating outside those timeframes, which does happen with the two or three daytime flights to LHR, and the second DFW-NRT. That forces overnights, but even there, we're not doing B checks. PS and A checks may take place, but that's driven by the fact that there's a schedule opportunity than a desire to move jobs offshore.
Plus, it's still preferred to do B checks at a place like DFW where you can start it on arrival in the morning and still be able to move the aircraft out the same day, as well as having backup aircraft in the event the aircraft doesn't return to service as planned.
The brunt of east-west flying departs the eastern point in the morning/afternoon, and arrives in the early afternoon/evening at the western point.
West-east flying typically departs the western point in the evening, arriving back at the eastern point in the morning.
There's just not an opportunity to have a long ground time unless you're operating outside those timeframes, which does happen with the two or three daytime flights to LHR, and the second DFW-NRT. That forces overnights, but even there, we're not doing B checks. PS and A checks may take place, but that's driven by the fact that there's a schedule opportunity than a desire to move jobs offshore.
Plus, it's still preferred to do B checks at a place like DFW where you can start it on arrival in the morning and still be able to move the aircraft out the same day, as well as having backup aircraft in the event the aircraft doesn't return to service as planned.
aafsc said:
I can't really think of anything on the check that would require a hangar. It helps to have one to control the environment you work in, which in turn speeds up the process and makes it a safer workplace.
