July - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Beancounter]

You're right, but I see a lot of west looking back to their glory days too.

Meanwhile, while we pee an each others shoes, the American pilots reject the LBFO.

Yes, I fantasize about the good old days. Just prior to the merger I was a line holder and we were hiring 20 a month!

Bean

 

[EastCheats]

If we don't have to say catpiss 100 times a day I think there might be a chance everyone could have a group hug.

Would you prefer catfish? I heard that one on the Phoenix ramp a while back. It gave me a chuckle knowing that flight was bound for Charlotte and they already were thinking about dinner.

Should have negotiated crew meals. You would not have to fly hungry or survive off of Bojangles.





Link to the CNBC American/US Airways merger story:

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000107993&__source=yahoo%7Cheadline%7Cquote%7Cvideo%7C&par=yahoo

 

[Beancounter]

A DONE DEAL?, dream on this deal is in super trouble, CASH is KING DUI aint got it!, hedge funds circling the water , waiting for JUDGE LANE to inmpose CBA's , DUI is so outed and so is the AA pilots they are at the mercy of the biggest "CASH" investor, no 13% stake either DUI just got outed! MM!

Wow, I actually agree with something you said. Yes, cash is king. Most of the time I can't even understand what you and Claxon are saying. MM did you go back to school?

Bean

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Wow, I actually agree with something you said. Yes, cash is king. Most of the time I can't even understand what you and Claxon are saying. MM did you go back to school?

Bean

Well it is "old school", don't flatter yourself, you don't understand age of understanding, pleez no slight, didn't understand it from my father either, but feel free to correct the grammar, went back to the VNAM helo reuinion in MSY, a blast great guys, bottom line, Dig deep BEAN, there is hope for you!

 

[cactusboy53]

Believe the teachings of Jesus Christ and you will have no need for DOH, nor will you have need for the NIC. We can all have our opinions.

What Jesus Christ said about oaths:
Matthew 5:33-37

33 “Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.’ 34 But I say to you, Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36 And do not take an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil.

 

[Move2CLT]

A DONE DEAL?, dream on this deal is in super trouble, CASH is KING DUI aint got it!, hedge funds circling the water , waiting for JUDGE LANE to inmpose CBA's , DUI is so outed and so is the AA pilots they are at the mercy of the biggest "CASH" investor, no 13% stake either DUI just got outed! MM!

Congrats, you are still king idiot on this forum.

Cash isn't and never has been an issue. Doug has plenty of coin to get this done.

Now wipe the drool off you face.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Congrats, you are still king idiot on this forum.

Cash isn't and never has been an issue. Doug has plenty of coin to get this done.

Now wipe the drool off you face.

Has your exwife gotten all your child support yet , word on the street your deliquent! MM

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Has your exwife gotten all your child support yet , word on the street your deliquent! MM

GO THERE!

 

[cleardirect]

If we don't have to say catpiss 100 times a day I think there might be a chance everyone could have a group hug.

If I don't have to tell people I work for Us airways any more it is all good.

If I don't have to pay dues and say I am a member of usapa. Even better.

Having east pilots as the minority, PRICELESS.

 

[nic4us]

What Jesus Christ said about oaths:
Matthew 5:33-37

33 "Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.' 34 But I say to you, Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36 And do not take an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 Let what you say be simply 'Yes' or 'No'; anything more than this comes from evil.

Who took an oath? More pertinent...Luke 12:13-15


Someone in the crowd said to him, “Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me.”
[sup]14 [/sup]Jesus replied, “Man, who appointed me a judge or an arbiter between you?” [sup]15 [/sup]Then he said to them, “Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; life does not consist in an abundance of possessions.”

 

[EastCheats]

Funny, the part about pile-up and merging.

I find myself referring to the east pilots as a whole sometimes. You're right they're not all the same. You can't lump Driver and 1984 in with Claxon and MM, because the only thing they probably have in common is that they are human beings and breath air. Well....... I think they at least have that in common.

Bean

I'm still trying to get out of the wreck from the pile-up in 2005. I'm a little worried about the drivers from Charlotte trying to navigate a merge onto the 121 trying to find 4333 Amon Carter, Dallas/Ft Worth.

 

[Graceson]

What Jesus Christ said about oaths:
Matthew 5:33-37

Who arbitrated J.C.'s death sentence? Was it final? Binding?

Can we conclude that an arbitrator may be falable and thus his decision...less than Godly!

 

[Pi brat]

Yes, I fantasize about the good old days. Just prior to the merger I was a line holder and we were hiring 20 a month!

Bean

Piedmont was hiring many more than that in 1986, but that went bye-bye too.

 

[A320 Driver]

CNBC is about to do a story on US Airways/ American. 4:25 EDT

It's Henry Harteveldt opposing the American Antitrust Institute

http://www.atmosgrp....nry-harteveldt/

Antitrust and Travel Industry Experts Call for Investigation of Proposed US Airways and American Airlines Merger

August 8, 2012, WASHINGTON, DC - In a jointly produced White Paper released today, the American Antitrust Institute (AAI) and Business Travel Coalition (BTC) review the competitive issues raised by a possible merger of US Airways and American Airlines. The 28-page report can be downloaded here.
The White Paper, which has been sent to the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ), indicates that a merger between US Airways and American could: substantially reduce competition on a number of routes, create regional strongholds at key airports across the country, and starve smaller communities of important air service. “A US Airways-American combination poses potential concerns for competition and consumers,” explained the report’s co-author, Diana Moss, Vice President of the AAI.
The proposed merger would combine the fourth (American) and fifth (US Airways) largest airlines nationally, making US Airways-American the largest U.S. carrier with a combined share of over 20 percent. Report co-author Kevin Mitchell, Chairman of the BTC, noted, “The legacy mega-merger would complete a troubling transformation of the domestic U.S. industry to four powerful, closed airline systems (American, Southwest, United Continental, and Delta) that would control over 70 percent of the U.S. market.”
The White Paper explains that a US Airways-American combination would occur against an industry backdrop marked by a dwindling fringe of low-cost carriers and increasing questions about whether Southwest any longer exerts significant competitive discipline. The report notes that a DOJ investigation into the proposed merger would be informed by lessons from the effects of previous legacy mega-mergers (e.g., Delta-Northwest and United Continental) on fares, service, and choice.
The White Paper flags a number of key issues for investigation, including the potential effect of the merger on enhancing the buying power of US Airways-American and the oneworld alliance to which it would likely belong. BTC’s Mitchell noted, “DOJ might also focus on the potential adverse effect of the proposed merger on the carriers’ incentives to disclose ancillary service fee information.” The report recommends that any claimed cost savings from the merger be carefully scrutinized. “The pandemic of integration problems in other mergers is a warning sign for this transaction,” concluded AAI’s Diana Moss.
While AAI and BTC do not make a recommendation as to the legality of the proposed merger, their White Paper raises important questions that deserve investigation before a decision is made. AAI and BTC provide nine major policy recommendations regarding a US Airways-American merger, noting that their analysis indicates enough smoke to indicate a potential fire and that the merging parties bear a heavy burden in demonstrating that their merger would not be harmful to competition and consumers.
Media Contacts
Diana Moss, AAI
dmoss@antitrustinstitute.org
720-233-5971
Kevin Mitchell, BTC
mitchell@businesstravelcoalition.com
610-999-9247

Where were these people when Delta-Northwest happened? How about United Continental? I remember DOJ and Congress lining up against us when we tried to merge with United the first time. One idiot asking Steven Wolfe, "you mean, if we don't approve this, you'll go bankrupt?". Well, we did and the rest is history. Were I live I have one choice of telephone service, one choice of internet service and one choice of electrical service. Why is that OK but if we are down to 5 or 6 healthy carriers, it isn't enough?

Food for thought...

Driver...

 

[Phoenix]

Where were these people when Delta-Northwest happened? How about United Continental? I remember DOJ and Congress lining up against us when we tried to merge with United the first time. One idiot asking Steven Wolfe, "you mean, if we don't approve this, you'll go bankrupt?". Well, we did and the rest is history. Were I live I have one choice of telephone service, one choice of internet service and one choice of electrical service. Why is that OK but if we are down to 5 or 6 healthy carriers, it isn't enough?

Food for thought...

Driver...

A cynic might conclude that the decisions in powerful places are often not really governed by the motivations they outwardly present, but are in effect based on shifting sands, uncertain and unknowable to the uninitiated.