July - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Metroyet]

I don't think it was too hard to understand what the 9th stated. They said it wasn't ripe and that the east might come up with a seniority list that didn't screw the west.

Unfortunately, the 9th didn't understand how incredibly unethical and depraved the USAPA side was, and how hysterically worthless it is to hope for their rational, legal behavior. IOW, the 9th circuit got duped. The last 3 years of zero progess should be all the proof one needs of that.

 

[luvthe9]

Unfortunately, the 9th didn't understand how incredibly unethical and depraved the USAPA side was, and how hysterically worthless it is to hope for their rational, legal behavior. IOW, the 9th circuit got duped. The last 3 years of zero progess should be all the proof one needs of that.

Sure, the 9th didn't understand it........ Look in the mirror, it is the West who refuses to heed their admonishments and keeps the Leonidas Dream alive. Alive for the lawyers who sued for the unripe case and fleeced the donors who were shaken down. At least someone is going to benefit, and it is Jacobs and Harper.

 

[luvthe9]

You can be sure Silver will rule within the "confines of the 9th"...um...the West and AOL are counting on her to do just that.

Problem for the scab union is they are too stupid to realize Addington was not a greenlight for DOH, or a free for all scab attempt at job theft through negotiations.

The 9th in Addington guarantees the scabs lose...but listening to usapa spokesman James (Continental scab) Ray, you would never think the same.

One more thing Luv...and all you usapa supporting scabs...when Silver rules..."within the confines of the 9th"....please don't do anything stupid, when DFRII puts the final nail in your scab unions coffin.

Forgot, the DFR VII dreams. The Hybrid mirage you so longingly threaten and cling to. What a joke.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

I don't think it was too hard to understand what the 9th stated. They said it wasn't ripe and that the east might come up with a seniority list that didn't screw the west.

That sounds about right, actually. I'll buy that.

 

[cleardirect]

That sounds reasonable. But yet, here we are, locked into the infinite loop. Who knows, after usapa comes up with a list that doesn't screw the west, the west 'might' decide usapa is the best thing that ever happened to them.

The ninth ruled June 2010. Has usapa altered their original proposal by even a comma? NO!. There is no way usapa could or would come up with a list that doesn't screw the west.

During the Addington trial usapa was telling the judge that they were afraid that they would get sued by east pilots even with the poor list and C&R they offered 3 years ago. So they are not going to alter their position and have to defend another DFR case from the east.

The Nicolau is the only list the west will accept. But just for argument sake DOH will never and can never be fair to the west no matter what C&R they invent. So usapa would have to offer some list other than DOH and the east pilots will never go for that. So it is either DOH or the Nicolau list. C&R are not going to ever make a DOH list that doesn't screw the west.

You are correct about the infinite loop. Judge Silver, Doug Parker or a merger is going to have to break the cycle. Are the east pilots when judge Silver rules in favor of the west willing to delay a contract another 18-24 months appealing the ruling?

The only path out for usapa is to accept the Nicolau or wait for a merger and usapa is removed from any decision making. At this point usapa has been the most expensive association in the history of labor. Dues $20-30,000 per year plus 1.95%.

 

[cleardirect]

Sure, the 9th didn't understand it........ Look in the mirror, it is the West who refuses to heed their admonishments and keeps the Leonidas Dream alive. Alive for the lawyers who sued for the unripe case and fleeced the donors who were shaken down. At least someone is going to benefit, and it is Jacobs and Harper.

Before you make yourself look anymore foolish then you already do. (Hard to imagine) Figure out the facts.

The west won the Addington case. It was the east and usapa that refused to accept that outcome to keep the dream alive.

It was the company that sued the west in the DJ case. The west was forced to defend ourselves in the case. Just like when usapa sued the west pilots for RICO they had no choice. It was not like they could say I choose not to participate and spend 10's of thousands of dollars. Leonidas has no "dream" the only thing we want is what we bargained for and the east agreed to. The result of binding arbitration.

Funny how you all talk about what the west is spending and how rich our lawyers are getting yet completely ignore what O'Dwyer and Seham charged you. Now O'Dwyer is sueing Seham collecting even more money for usapa.

 

[Pi brat]

Oh, and if we get a favorable ruling from Silver, the company is going to F the east over quicker than Prater can inhale a cheeseburger.

Nic, how is the company going to F the east? If everything from here on out goes the west way, the worst that happens is that we get what we would have in 2007. We've (all of us) have already paid, and will pay until a joint contract, the price for this fight. I guess there is that dream of damages, but I think everyone knows the T/A, the rulings and Paker's words/actions rule that out. I think you really know all this and that is why you keep the s word flowing.

 

[Pi brat]

Are the east pilots when judge Silver rules in favor of the west willing to delay a contract another 18-24 months appealing the ruling?

Serious question. Do you think Judge Silver is going to rule if there is an AA merger?

 

[Pi brat]

Another strikeout for 9-piece. He claimed that easties didn't stoop that low...

Jim

You talk about the east stooping low, but call someone 9-piece. I have a very fitting nickname for you.

 

[luvthe9]

The ninth ruled June 2010. Has usapa altered their original proposal by even a comma? NO!. There is no way usapa could or would come up with a list that doesn't screw the west.

During the Addington trial usapa was telling the judge that they were afraid that they would get sued by east pilots even with the poor list and C&R they offered 3 years ago. So they are not going to alter their position and have to defend another DFR case from the east.

The Nicolau is the only list the west will accept. But just for argument sake DOH will never and can never be fair to the west no matter what C&R they invent. So usapa would have to offer some list other than DOH and the east pilots will never go for that. So it is either DOH or the Nicolau list. C&R are not going to ever make a DOH list that doesn't screw the west.

You are correct about the infinite loop. Judge Silver, Doug Parker or a merger is going to have to break the cycle. Are the east pilots when judge Silver rules in favor of the west willing to delay a contract another 18-24 months appealing the ruling?

The only path out for usapa is to accept the Nicolau or wait for a merger and usapa is removed from any decision making. At this point usapa has been the most expensive association in the history of labor. Dues $20-30,000 per year plus 1.95%.

You are the perfect example of why Harper continues to fleece the faithful. You say you won Addington, yet went to the 9th and was remanded. The final outcome was a total devastation of Addington. Addington can't even be referenced by order of Wake himself. Erased. You deserve everything you have coming if you continue to think this way.

 

[luvthe9]

Serious question. Do you think Judge Silver is going to rule if there is an AA merger?

If she rules in favor of the West, it goes to the 9th. Again.

 

[luvthe9]

ADDINGTON:CONCLUSION
[10] For the foregoing reasons, we hold that Plaintiffs’
DFR claim is not ripe; therefore, the case is REMANDED to
the district court with directions that the action be DISMISSED.
No costs to either side.
So much for the Addington "win" DISMISSED!

 

[Pi brat]

If she rules in favor of the West, it goes to the 9th. Again.

Yeah, I'd say so, unless as some have predicted she rules in a way that makes an appeal moot. But, I think she moved this to the bottom of the pile hoping a merger happens and the company withdraws the suit and takes care of it for her.

 

[cynic]

Unfortunately, the 9th didn't understand how incredibly unethical and depraved the USAPA side was, and how hysterically worthless it is to hope for their rational, legal behavior. IOW, the 9th circuit got duped. The last 3 years of zero progess should be all the proof one needs of that.

The ninth ruled June 2010. Has usapa altered their original proposal by even a comma? NO!. There is no way usapa could or would come up with a list that doesn't screw the west.

The 9th ruled on legal theory, not specific details of the case in front of them. Their disassociation between theory and reality has led to the continual misrepresentation of their ruling by certain individuals on this site.

 

[luvthe9]

The 9th ruled on legal theory, not specific details of the case in front of them. Their disassociation between theory and reality has led to the continual misrepresentation of their ruling by certain individuals on this site.

Clear has no idea what he is talking about. The twisting of reality continues the fleecing of the West by the incompetent lawyers. Clear must be getting a cut for providing the propaganda.