July - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Barrister]

Then they can face the other ask....$1.8 billion and a system bump and flush.

Like I said, it will not be ordered by a judge, the company will voluntarily comply.

You funy guy flyboy !!

NICDOA
NPJB

 

[Barrister]

Really..the West is back in compliance....how do we know that? All West reps have been denied any and all access to block hour data since the grievance was filed over 3 years ago. Get this, usapa...the same union that failed to file a grievance over the change in criteria of when an airplane was out and in that favored the east operation and harmed the West pilots, who also failed to prosecute the DL grievance because in their opinion a West grievance is frivolous while complete disingenuous BS like the loa93 grievance have multi-millions wasted, yes that usapa who would no doubt be harmed by knowledge that West min block is below TA min, is keeping that data to itself.

The bump and flush is just my prediction of a possible ask from the West side if Silver rules in our favor.

The point is, if Silver rules in a manner favorable to the West, I predict usapa will appeal and the West will not just sit around waiting to go to the 9th. The West will take immediate action at the district level, and it will scare the daylights out of the company.

Your stupidity is appaling. The DEC action has ZERO to do with damages. Silver will make a ruling involving mostly Yes and NO answers and the question hasn't even been asked of Silver ....Have you been damaged and if so how much ??...what a moron. There... I said it.

NICDOA
NPJB.

 

[BoeingBoy]

You talk about the east stooping low, but call someone 9-piece. I have a very fitting nickname for you.

Oh, you've got a fitting nickname for anyone that doesn't worship at the shrine of your wisdom...nothing new to see here...

Jim

 

[Pi brat]

Oh, you've got a fitting nickname for anyone that doesn't worship at the shrine of your wisdom...nothing new to see here...

Jim

That whole log/splinter/eye thing again. Deflect, Deflect!

 

[Pi brat]

Thanks but not necessary, just pointing out luv's hypocrisy when he claims to be on the high road.

Isn't that kinda like "she deserved to get raped, she's a slut"?

 

[EastUS1]

Isn't that kinda like "she deserved to get raped, she's a slut"?

For the purpose of the thread's discussion; methinks that only applies should some arbitrator whimsically pre-determine the victim's status as such, and in so doing; endorse any/all subsequent actions/attacks......

 

[BoeingBoy]

Not even close. More like standing on a street corner offering BJ's for $2 then being offended when someone calls you a whore...but defend 9-piece all you like...

And look who popped up right on que...standing on a street corner...

Jim

 

[EastUS1]

Not even close. More like standing on a street corner offering BJ's for $2 then being offended when someone calls you a whore...but defend 9-piece all you like...

And look who popped up right on que...standing on a street corner...

Jim

Ever the "classy" guy I see....Seriously though; don't get your hopes up....You're not worth spending even $2. I suggest enjoying your vacation instead....just sayin'....

 

[BoeingBoy]

I'm not the one standing on the street corner hawking my "wares"...you, on the other hand 😱

 

[traderjake]

I suggest enjoying your vacation instead....just sayin'....

When you're retired isn't everyday a vacation?

 

[cleardirect]

Your stupidity is appaling. The DEC action has ZERO to do with damages. Silver will make a ruling involving mostly Yes and NO answers and the question hasn't even been asked of Silver ....Have you been damaged and if so how much ??...what a moron. There... I said it.

NICDOA
NPJB.

You are correct the company did not ask about harm. But judge Silver certainly understands that there has been harm to the west pilots.

transcript Feb 9, 2011

THE COURT: What would you have argued to the Ninth
10 Circuit had you been a party? You're in front of the Ninth 0229
11 Circuit now. What would you have argued that would change the
12 complexion of the case? It seems to me, as I've read the case
13 again and again, that the majority opinion was -- they were
14 adamant about taking the position, which is supported by the
15 case law, that they are to defer where there are collective 0253
16 bargaining agreement negotiations. So they were just going to
17 keep away from that no matter what. No question the Court
18 embraced the issue that there was harm to the West Pilots.
19 That was clear.

This is what judge Silver said and the court is the ninth circuit.

So usapa had better hope that this is settled soon because the harm is real and mounting. usapa will never have enough money to pay for the damage but they could negotiate another form of compensation. B scale for east pilots. All of the upgrades to west pilots for the next 7 years. Bump and flush to reset the seat to their proper order. Who knows but the ninth circuit understands the west has been harmed, Judge Wake knows this and Judge silver knows it also.

The only people that don't seem to get it are the ones trying to steal an additional 40 seats a year because 2/3 of them are not good enough. You want them all.

 

[EastUS1]

So usapa had better hope that this is settled soon because the harm is real and mounting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zail7Gdqro

 

[A320 Driver]

You are correct the company did not ask about harm. But judge Silver certainly understands that there has been harm to the west pilots.

transcript Feb 9, 2011


This is what judge Silver said and the court is the ninth circuit.

So usapa had better hope that this is settled soon because the harm is real and mounting. usapa will never have enough money to pay for the damage but they could negotiate another form of compensation. B scale for east pilots. All of the upgrades to west pilots for the next 7 years. Bump and flush to reset the seat to their proper order. Who knows but the ninth circuit understands the west has been harmed, Judge Wake knows this and Judge silver knows it also.

The only people that don't seem to get it are the ones trying to steal an additional 40 seats a year because 2/3 of them are not good enough. You want them all.

So, this is like your wet dream, right? East finances all your aviation hopes and desires and picks up the tab for the training to "right size" the seats according to your wishes? And on top of that, we are kept on LOA 93 for ???

Anything else???

Driver...

 

[Claxon]

Tell you what. Go through the company DJ, injunction case, EDNY case and search for how many time the Addington case is referenced.You will find out that your statement is false. Addington is still referenced.

Do you think that you won Addington? The west case is only delayed (not ripe) if you had won we would not be talking about it.

Here is some more nice information they can mine along the Addington references, part and parcel of ADDINGTON. You can't pick and choose. These are some nice gems in the sands of Addington......


7] Plaintiffs correctly note that certain West Pilots have
been furloughed, whereas they would still be working under
a single CBA implementing the Nicolau Award. It is, however,
at best, speculative that a single CBA incorporating the
Nicolau Award would be ratified if presented to the union’s
membership. ALPA had been unable to broker a compromise
between the two pilot groups, and the East Pilots had
expressed their intentions not to ratify a CBA containing the
Nicolau Award. Thus, even under the district court’s injunction
mandating USAPA to pursue the Nicolau Award, it is
uncertain that the West Pilots’ preferred seniority system ever
would be effectuated

 

[Claxon]

And this.....




[8] Plaintiffs seek to escape this conclusion by framing
their harm as the lost opportunity to have a CBA implementing
the Nicolau Award put to a ratification vote. Because
merely putting a CBA effectuating the Nicolau Award to a
ratification vote will not itself alleviate the West Pilots furloughs,
Plaintiffs have not identified a sufficiently concrete
injury.2 Additionally, USAPA’s final proposal may yet be one
that does not work the disadvantages Plaintiffs fear, even if
that proposal is not the Nicolau Award.