June - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cleardirect]

DCA,

NYC is a phl pilot and WE would give your kind some choice words at any Phl council meeting. Don't believe me, come and verbally state any of your recent post.
I note you didn't bother to comment on my thoughts on DCA representation.
I bet Spike / Mike G has laid it out for them. Is that where your beef arises?
Btw......you do not speak for me......got it! Dump the US verbiage .

FA

Here we go.

Put um up, put um up, i dare you.

If you don't comply we will threaten you. The worst of union tactics.

 

[cleardirect]

Here is another GEM for you 319.




" that USAPA is at least as free to abandon the Nicolau Award as was
its predecessor, ALPA. The dissent appears implicitly to assume that the
Nicolau Award, the product of the internal rules and processes of ALPA,
is binding on USAPA." 9th Court of Appeals SF

Why don't you quote the entire thing?

We note, as the district court recognized, that USAPA is at least as free to abandon the Nicolau Award as was its predecessor, ALPA. The dissent appears implicitly to assume that the Nicolau Award, the product of the internal rules and processes of ALPA, is binding on USAPA. See Diss op. at 8021-22.

Explain to us all how free usapa was to abandon the Nicolau. You see the ninth referenced the district court, that would be judge Wake. In order to understand what the ninth was talking about you need to read what judge Wake said about how free ALPA was to abandon the Nicolau. Got look up his ruling and tell us what he said. I will give you a hint. The district court said that ALPA could not abadon the Nicolau therefore usapa can not abadon the Nicolau but by all means please keep quoting it because one day it will sink in.

If you need help finding them I will provide them for you.

 

[EastUS1]

Put um up, put um up, i dare you.

If you don't comply we will threaten you.

....Pretty much covers the "We'll sue everybody in the whole world if we don't get our nic....Waaaah! " as well... 😉

 

[fifidriver]

And I "recommend" that you shut your smarmy mouth, since you weren't there.....

"I'm certain that the entire world is just all ears as to hear how YOU would done everything so much "better"....We're all waiting with bated breath....so go ahead and tell us....."Ace" 😉 For juss' po' liddle ole me?..I'm glad I didn't have that situation to deal with."

...Still waiting on how YOU would have handled it all so much better...."Ace" 😉 Consider that a brief pass for the earlier suggestion to just shut your smarmy mouth, and..for the sake of "enlightenment" please DO share your 'wisdom" and "expertise" on EXACTLY what "thought" processes would have, by warranty, been involved, and exactly what YOU would have done differently....Don't be shy now...the obvious jackass thing is already out of the bag 😉

Amigo: I repeat: "Ace" is a "fictious" '88 Eastie. The "jack*** thing" was let out of the bag, when someone venerated our retired "hero"! I have no burning desire to denigrate any mythical heroes, so I will offer this d'etante... If y'all will cease to venerate, I will cease to denigrate. Do you know what the N2 was on the no1 eng when it was shut down? I recommend facts instead of emotion.

 

[EastUS1]

I have no burning desire to denigrate any mythical heroes,....

Aww..how so very "generous" of you indeed. I'm "certain" that you, yourself, by your actions under severe stress, have qualified as a "hero" in actual life so many times that it's just old hand to you 😉 Fyi: "mythical" applies only to fantasy. Not much in the way of fantasy was involved that day nor would have served that flight....not your current BS, nor my thoughts either. I salute a successful outcome and a job well done. You?...well..indulge your fantasies as you sadly see fit, however utterly disgusting I find them. Run off to converse amongst the other mighty little "Spartans". We're done here.

 

[dca319]

Here is another GEM for you 319. If Parker submits it, he is then liable for a massive suit and ANOTHER intervention by the 9th on an Arizona individual who just can't seem to grasp the concept of collective bargaining. Parker is smarter than you realize on this issue. The Kirby statement affirms that fact.




" that USAPA is at least as free to abandon the Nicolau Award as was
its predecessor, ALPA. The dissent appears implicitly to assume that the
Nicolau Award, the product of the internal rules and processes of ALPA,
is binding on USAPA." 9th Court of Appeals SF


The dissent doesn't get it, and they are in the MINORITY, aka not enough horsepower to make the rule stick.....

Have you forgotten that ever time we've gone up against the company we've lost? And what are we going to sue them for? Using an arbitrated list? I think the DJ will shut our door there completely.

 

[EastUS1]

Have you forgotten that ever time we've gone up against the company we've lost?

So...the "solution" is to never offer any challenge?....

 

[767one]

If you're Sully, then yes.

Me, I fly a healthy line and get paid full pay when I DH and for CXs.

You?

Just got back from DUB yesterday and got paid almost 25 hrs. for flying one live leg and 1 ferry flight.......YOU?

 

[767one]

You have stated your reasons for voting for usapa. Frankly, I do not care. You were granted a second bite at your position not once but twice due to the AWA aquisition of AAA and the age 65 rule change. Yet, I nor any West poster have ever claimed to be entittled to your or NYCBusdriver's or LUV9s positions.

Why is it that your "colleagues" deserve or are entitled mine?

On second thought, since I no longer respect your opinion, don't even bother replying.

Since you don't want a reply I just have to answer. Same question you asked me....Why is it that your "colleagues" deserve or are entitled what is my "colleagues"? And thank you for leaving all the deprecating remarks out of your post.

 

[Black Swan]

Why don't you quote the entire thing?


Explain to us all how free usapa was to abandon the Nicolau. You see the ninth referenced the district court, that would be judge Wake. In order to understand what the ninth was talking about you need to read what judge Wake said about how free ALPA was to abandon the Nicolau. Got look up his ruling and tell us what he said. I will give you a hint. The district court said that ALPA could not abadon the Nicolau therefore usapa can not abadon the Nicolau but by all means please keep quoting it because one day it will sink in.

If you need help finding them I will provide them for you.

Here you go clear and direct........



Plaintiffs correctly note that certain West Pilots have
been furloughed, whereas they would still be working under
a single CBA implementing the Nicolau Award. It is, however,
at best, speculative that a single CBA incorporating the
Nicolau Award would be ratified if presented to the union’s
membership. ALPA had been unable to broker a compromise
between the two pilot groups, and the East Pilots had
expressed their intentions not to ratify a CBA containing the
Nicolau Award. Thus, even under the district court’s injunction
mandating USAPA to pursue the Nicolau Award, it is
uncertain that the West Pilots’ preferred seniority system ever
would be effectuated. 9th court of appeals


The court itself said EVEN UNDER THE DISTRICT COURTS INJUNCTION IT IS DOUBTFUL...... GET IT? THE COURT, THE ONE THAT ERASED WAKE, THAT ONE, SAID THIS.

 

[Beancounter]

I have a question for my east colleagues. Let’s say we merge with AMR, and like the APA has implied seniority goes to arbitration. What if, hold on I know it is hard to fathom, but what if a neutral arbitrator comes back with a list that is not DOH. Is the east going to have another melt down, or are we going to move on?

Bean

 

[Black Swan]

Honestly, when are you guys going to figure out that the Wake trial was erased? It is absolutely ridiculous how you keep referring to Addington. Unbelievable.

 

[Beancounter]

Here you go clear and direct........



Plaintiffs correctly note that certain West Pilots have
been furloughed, whereas they would still be working under
a single CBA implementing the Nicolau Award. It is, however,
at best, speculative that a single CBA incorporating the
Nicolau Award would be ratified if presented to the union’s
membership. ALPA had been unable to broker a compromise
between the two pilot groups, and the East Pilots had
expressed their intentions not to ratify a CBA containing the
Nicolau Award. Thus, even under the district court’s injunction
mandating USAPA to pursue the Nicolau Award, it is
uncertain that the West Pilots’ preferred seniority system ever
would be effectuated. 9th court of appeals


The court itself said EVEN UNDER THE DISTRICT COURTS INJUNCTION IT IS DOUBTFUL...... GET IT? THE COURT, THE ONE THAT ERASED WAKE, THAT ONE, SAID THIS.

Not ripe yet and the kind of erased you are talking about are two different things. I get it that the list, short of an AMR merger, has to be voted in by the east/west, which will not happen if the Nic is included. Do you understand that USAPA, if they want to submit a list other than the Nic, have to come up with a list that does not harm the west. DOH harms the west, everyone sees that, except the east, which............wait for it........gets a huge windfall from DOH.
Bean

 

[mrbreeze]

Not ripe yet and the kind of erased you are talking about are two different things. I get it that the list, short of an AMR merger, has to be voted in by the east/west, which will not happen if the Nic is included. Do you understand that USAPA, if they want to submit a list other than the Nic, have to come up with a list that does not harm the west. DOH harms the west, everyone sees that, except the east, which............wait for it........gets a huge windfall from DOH.
Bean

IMHO,

I don't think that what NIC came up with, what the Wake outcome was, or what the 9th has to say about it matters.

The NIC is an internal union arbitration. The new arbitration with APA included under M/B will be federal law and will be the "legal" bottom line.

Parker has found his "out" in all this mess. It doesn't matter what we think is right or fair. The company filed the DJ lawsuit and have the ability to massage it the way they want to.....it's their lawsuit. All Parker has to do is submit it all to the new arbitrator and his hands are clean. We are just along for the ride once again....but hopefully the new arbitrator will have the courage to not screw it up......East, West, or APA.

breeze

 

[Beancounter]

IMHO,

I don't think that what NIC came up with, what the Wake outcome was, or what the 9th has to say about it matters.

The NIC is an internal union arbitration. The new arbitration with APA included under M/B will be federal law and will be the "legal" bottom line.

Parker has found his "out" in all this mess. It doesn't matter what we think is right or fair. The company filed the DJ lawsuit and have the ability to massage it the way they want to.....it's their lawsuit. All Parker has to do is submit it all to the new arbitrator and his hands are clean. We are just along for the ride once again....but hopefully the new arbitrator will have the courage to not screw it up......East, West, or APA.

breeze

Thanks for the reply.

Bean