June - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[EastUS1]

Parker is burning his credibility simply to appease the east. He will say whatever it takes to keep you guys calm long enough to get this merger done. He knows that if he came out today and said the Nicolau is the list you guys would scream and cry and take out USA today ads running off the investors.

Look at how excited you all are about those rates. Have any of you even looked at the rest of the terms? Parker will say anything and give you guys the smallest hope to get you guys "on board". That is easy since you east guys are so willing to grasp at any straw that floats by.

You make some truly enormous assumptions on a routine basis. Firstly; I don't believe Mr. Parker's the least bit concerned with the US employee groups' notions/actions/ or responses to any issue....period. Why should he be at present? Far too much is uncertain at this point, and thus; there's really no incentive for any group to "go ballistic", even if some perceived benefit could be imagined from doing so. Secondly; making blanket statements of any group, as you routinely do, is a fool's game...always. There's not one above assumption that I can find myself at all agreeing with personally....Repeat; not ONE. Perhaps you "know" the minds of "all" better than I know my own...but...I'm a "bit" skeptical of that.....Just sayin'.....

 

[EastUS1]

I'm fine with the "consistent" part of the procedures. It's the Law of Primacy all us old folks deal with.

Unlearning is the challenge.

Amen sir 😉

 

[EastUS1]

No it doesn't make sense.
Here's a novel concept..."Gear Down, Landing Checklist". Works every time. The landing gear, for most of us, is NOT optional.

Driver...

I like this plan, and yeah; "works every time" has always been a favorite method for my simple mind's benefit 😉

 

[Move2CLT]

Stick with your ostriche plume fetish son. Don't get too far out of your depth. 😉

Said the guy who challenged everyone to a dogfight.

 

[BoeingBoy]

yeah; "works every time" has always been a favorite method for my simple mind's benefit 😉

For simple minds...yeah, "works every time" is great right up to when it doesn't work and dead bodies are strewn around. A very low standard indeed, but then again you'd rather be ignorant than look in a simple dictionary...

Resorting to those "cute" little smileys I see....

Jim

 

[Move2CLT]

I like this plan, and yeah; "works every time" has always been a favorite method for my simple mind's benefit 😉

Let's look at AWA's practices and compare them to US Air as to their respective safety records.

Yep, looks like AWA gets the win their.

Oh, and we never transferred controls under 200' like your boys in TPA did.

 

[EastUS1]

Said the guy who challenged everyone to a dogfight.

Hardly any "dogfight", merely supervised, recreational flying, much akin in "danger" to a game of golf...for you non pilots' reference 😉
No matter... no ferocious "spartan" rose to the occasion in any case..so what's your point? 😉

 

[EastUS1]

For simple minds...yeah, "works every time" is great right up to when it doesn't work and dead bodies are strewn around. A very low standard indeed, but then again you'd rather be ignorant than look in a simple dictionary...

You need some help old boy. This is getting progressively sadder with each post you make.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Well, it's said that ignorance is bliss so you must be very blissful indeed... 😛

Jim

 

[EastUS1]

Well, it's said that ignorance is bliss so you must be very blissful indeed... 😛

OK...explain to us all how agreeing with "gear down/landing checklist" being a fully reasonable notion (and one you might even remember)....can somehow, immediately provide reason for your subsequent, raving lunacy: "......and dead bodies are strewn around. A very low standard indeed, but then again you'd rather be ignorant than look in a simple dictionary..." ? Feel free to expand on your ummm......"thoughts" here. I'm sure we can all benefit from your "insight" .....?

Seriously; if there's some severe health issue you're facing or the like...That I could understand.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I like this plan, and yeah; "works every time" has always been a favorite method for my simple mind's benefit 😉

Simple - so simple in fact that even one (check the dictionary) reliving his glory days as a fast burner jet-jok can understand it. Since no system or person is perfect, the best systems or people attempt to create barriers to mistakes - especially when said mistake can have catestrophic consequences (look the big words up). A concept that uses "it's always worked before" as a substitute (dictionary) for those barriers will "work every time" until the first time it doesn't work....

The best safety system is proactive, not dwelling in the past practices that "worked every time" until they didn't. Something as simple as "aviate, navigate, fix the problem" is just one of those hard learned lessons that resulted from mistakes leaving bodies strewn around the crash site. Gear down/landing check is one proactive measure - doing the same thing at the same point every time. However, gear down is only one of the actions that is accomplished every time one (dictionary) lands normally. Any other thing done every time would serve as well. It's just the easties that believe that the way they've always done it is the only way to do it that get upset.

Perhaps if instead of blustering and proclaiming your own imagined greatness you'd invest a little time in thought (if capable) you'd realize that even you don't have all the answers.

Jim

 

[Move2CLT]

No matter... no ferocious "spartan" rose to the occasion in any case.. 😉

Gee, I wonder why.

 

[EastUS1]

Gee, I wonder why.

So did I 😉

 

[EastUS1]

Perhaps if instead of blustering and proclaiming your own imagined greatness you'd invest a little time in thought (if capable) you'd realize that even you don't have all the answers.

I've never imagined that I do have "all the answers". What I'm seeing from you though, is literally insane ranting that honestly makes me concerned for you. That you could launch into what you just did over "gear down/landing checklist" is nothing short of frightening....especially as you, yourself, used exactly that callout, or the "landing gear down" version, for many years...Seriously; What's wrong with you? If there's some severe issue(s)...that could easily explain a little oversight on your earlier postings as well. It would also help your most recent "make sense". Honestly, and for what little it's worth; I sincerely hope things are OK.

 

[BoeingBoy]

It went right over your head as usual. You claim not to have all the answers, but shoot down anything you don't like - a closed mind is an empty mind...

Yes, I did indeed use "gear down/landing check" for years. I could be like you and others and proclaim that that is the only "right" way to do it or I can recognize that it's just one of the ways to do it. Being used to doing one thing doesn't automatically make it the only way to do it or even necessarily the best way to do it. It just makes it what you're used to. Maybe that's simple enough for even you to understand.

Perhaps going to the military practice of reporting gear down to the tower would please you...even going to one pilot airplanes or remotely piloted planes - works for the military so why not?

Jim