June - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[nic4us]

Got another thing for Breeze, and the other posters who are the big MDA was mailine fans.

In the crewnews the company says they are going to collect...it is coming soon....and it sounds like it is quite a bit bigger than the distance learning amounts.

My question is, my distance learning overpayment was like $2500, and the company collects $90 a paycheck, how deep in the hole are the MDA guys, will it be like a couple hundred a paycheck?

 

[Move2CLT]

Nice spin. Won't work.

Driver...

What's there to work? That's a fact boo boo.

 

[Move2CLT]

Got another thing for Breeze, and the other posters who are the big MDA was mailine fans.

In the crewnews the company says they are going to collect...it is coming soon....and it sounds like it is quite a bit bigger than the distance learning amounts.

My question is, my distance learning overpayment was like $2500, and the company collects $90 a paycheck, how deep in the hole are the MDA guys, will it be like a couple hundred a paycheck?

Meager paycheck - overpayment deduction = gas billed skipped every other month.

 

[nic4us]

Nice spin. Won't work.

Driver...

Training is fine.....

And I was thinking of and should have replied directly to Cleardirects "We did not do flaps 3 until your east flt. Ops managers took over."

comment earlier, so here goes.

Clear....I don't do flaps 3 even after they took over, unless an engine is shutdown or there is windshear.

 

[EastUS1]

From the guy that won't even look in a dictionary to see how wrong he is.....keep dodging and weaving...

Jim

I'll leave any dodging and weaving in your far more capable hands:

BoeingBoy: "I come from a generation that experienced Vietnam winding down where one couldn't automatically expect to move from a military cockpit to a civilian cockpit." ..when said poster had not the slightest personal history of any "military cockpit". That type of grandiose "association with all things" BS, I've grown to expect, and he certainly could of just gone "oops"..."I really didn't mean that about myself" and been done with it...BUT when confronted by that, via: "As if you ever strapped into a military cockpit"...he clearly felt some seriously, just plain sick need to offer the following: BoeingBoy: "LOL You have no idea what cockpits I've strappen into." Now...if that last isn't an overt attempt to misrepresent himself as something he never was...well...all can decide for themselves.

After you tell us some more "war stories"....If you feel the need...you can also further enlighten us all as to how routinely putting the landing gear down results in "and dead bodies are strewn around..."....Words just fail to adequately address the depths of your insane, consummate BS.

PS: How does your pathetic "Dictionary Defense" cover the following: "As if you ever strapped into a military cockpit"... BoeingBoy: "LOL You have no idea what cockpits I've strappen into." Nevermind. I finally took your "advice" per using the dictionary:

lie
1.
a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2.
something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.

If you've yet additional spare time...I could certainly benefit from more of your astute observations on personal "principles".

 

[EastUS1]

... just saying I would not put it past usapians to try to lie, cheat and steal seniority in another prospective merger.

That would mimic some west behavior. Seriously...what part of Nic's fantasies/"logic" have at ALL proved true? I can't think of so much as ONE assumption that's sustained it's self in the light of day, for all these years past now. Is it not the case that the US group is likely now merging with American? Was there, at ANY time, EVER any "career expectations" for that to happen? Is it not indeed the case that all you're trying to do here is personally gain from Mr. Nic's flagrantly gross errors in his VERY clouded crystal ball reading? Should all just essentially draw their numbers from some bowl placed under Dumbo in Fantasyland? Why not? Isn't that exactly what using the Nic would amount to doing?...Well over half a decade after the fantasies/"logic"/whatever, that went into ever contriving it have all gone up in smoke?

What happened to all that glorious "logic" pertaining to "snapshot at the time of the merger"? If that EVER made any actual sense; Why shouldn't the very same notions now be followed in this scenario?....ummm...unless, that is, it's truly all just an issue of pure opportunism...and NONE of the previously forwarded, nay, loudly trumpeted "logic" for the nic now "makes sense" out west...?

 

[nic4us]

That would mimic some west behavior. Seriously...what part of Nic's fantasies/"logic" have at ALL proved true? I can't think of so much as ONE assumption that's sustained it's self after being seen in the light of day, for all these years past now. Is it not the case that the US group is likely now merging with American? Was there, at ANY time, EVER any "career expectations" for that to happen? Is it not indeed the case that all you're trying to do here is personally gain from Mr. Nic's flagrantly gross errors in his VERY clouded crystal ball reading? Should all just essentially draw their numbers from some bowl placed under Dumbo in Fantasyland? Why not? Isn't that exactly what using the Nic would amount to doing?...Well over half a decade after the circumstances/fantasies/whatever, that went into ever contriving it have all gone up in smoke?

What happened to all that glorious "logic" pertaining to "snapshot at the time of the merger"? If that EVER made any actual sense; Why shouldn't the very same notions now be followed in this scenario?....ummm...unless, that is, it's truly all just an issue of pure opportunism...and NONE of the previously forwarded, nay, loudly trumpeted "logic" for the nic now "makes sense" out west...?

I have not heard a single West poster trumpet any other logic than the same that derived the Nic.

Snapshot...you bet....ratioed slotting by equiptment and status....darn right....

Nic did not use a cloudy crystal ball...he did not need to..he had factual data in front of him, and he used it. Your opinion that the Nic is unfair is the only thing clouded by emotion following the failed opportunism the east let run rampant.

simple as this east...I was an A320 lineholding captain....Nic said I get to keep my position and status in the newly formed LCC. usapa wants to steal my position and give it to an east pilot, and now they will try agian if there is an AMR merger. I have no dellusions over what motivated the scab union's founders, and I have no reason to trust the scab union to protect my best interest going forward.

 

[EastUS1]

Snapshot...you bet....ratioed slotting by equiptment and status....darn right....

Logically then, the nic should have nothing to do with the current situation. Just sayin'

No matter really. We'll never see eye to eye on this, and neither one/none of us will have any effect on what's to come by way of tearing away on this board. At least it's nowadays, much more pleasant to again be able to do so with some degree of mutual civility. Heck..I recall many conversations from years past when neither of us mutually drew any firearms or even sharp objects 😉

Have a good evening 😉

 

[nic4us]

Logically then, the nic should have nothing to do with the current situation. Just sayin'

No matter really. We'll never see eye to eye on this, and neither one/none of us will have any effect on what's to come by way of tearing away on this board. At least it's nowadays, much more pleasant to again be able to do so with some degree of mutual civility. Heck..I recall many conversations from years past when neither of us mutually drew any firearms or even sharp objects 😉

Have a good evening 😉

I fail to see how the LCC seniority list i.e. the Nic, does not "logically" state the position and status of the LCC pilots.

 

[EastUS1]

I fail to see how the LCC seniority list i.e. the Nic, does not "logically" state the position and status of the LCC pilots.

As no integration by it ever happened; It's in no way representative of any degree of actual reality, ie; who's in what seats/bases/etc in the real world we all must live in. Employing any snapshot at the time of an imminent merger; How can one justify doing anything other than taking such a picture as conditions stand?

 

[fodase]

As no integration by it ever happened; It's in no way representative of any degree of actual reality, ie; who's in what seats/bases/etc in the real world we all must live in.

You want to talk about actual reality?

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6 The Transition Agreement here is not merely a tentative agreement. It is a fully-executed
7 CBA, signed by the airlines, the union, and the Master Executive Councils which
8 separately represented the East Pilots and the West Pilots. (See Doc. No. 156-3 at 40-41.)
9 Upon execution of the Transition Agreement, the parties (including ALPA at first and
10 then USAPA) treated it as a binding contract: they acted in accordance with the Transition
11 Agreement’s terms by, inter alia, adjudicating grievances regarding its interpretation and
12 application pursuant to its dispute-resolution procedures. (See Doc. No. 164 at 9:13-25.)
13 The fact that the Nicolau Award has not yet been implemented does not change the fact
14 that the Transition Agreement contains a commitment to the Nicolau Award, and such
15 contractual commitment is therefore part of the status quo.4
16 The Second Circuit’s decision in Airline Pilots Association, International v. Pan
17 American World Airways, Inc., 765 F.2d 377 (2d Cir. 1985), not Hawaiian Airlines,
18 addresses the issue of whether the terms of a fully-executed CBA providing for future
19 changes in rates of pay, rules, or working conditions are part of the status quo. In that
20 case, the union had agreed to wage concessions for a 2-year period. Before they expired,
21 the carrier re-opened negotiations for a new CBA, which triggered the RLA’s status quo

any questions?

 

[Phoenix]

any questions?

Well yes I do have a question.

If the company has failed to abide by the Nic (the status qou, in your estimation) then why haven't you sued the company for the damages of not abiding by the status qou? Oh yeah, ya did already. Refresh our memory on how that turned out.

 

[fodase]

Well yes I do have a question.

If the company has failed to abide by the Nic (the status qou, in your estimation) then why haven't you sued the company for the damages of not abiding by the status qou? Oh yeah, ya did already. Refresh our memory on how that turned out.

The company has abided by the TA, that's the point you idiot, they refused to accept your doh list didn't they Einstein ?

 

[nic4us]

As no integration by it ever happened; It's in no way representative of any degree of actual reality, ie; who's in what seats/bases/etc in the real world we all must live in. Employing any snapshot at the time of an imminent merger; How can one justify doing anything other than taking such a picture as conditions stand?

...a snapshot of LCC at the present time says that seniority has already been determined and we are in a period of seperate operations awaiting implementation of the Nic upon ratification of a joint contract.

who is in what bases/seats/etc at LCC is a function of the Nic and other arbitrations that usapa is also avoiding to retain seats for east pilots that belong to West pilots. In otherwords, part of the snapshot is an IOU owed to the West pilots.

 

[Phoenix]

The company has abided by the TA, that's the point you idiot, they refused to accept your doh list didn't they Einstein ?

If they are abiding by it why did you sue them?

P.S. congrats for your creative evolution beyond mere clown labeling.