June - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[EastUS1]

I am fighting for what is right, that's why I support AOL. For a clear view of "the entitlement type" you should simply look in the mirror.

Understandable, if you truly feel it to be right. Per the second part?....Had the day ever come that I'd have felt myself entitled to supposed seniority over anyone within the same class and craft, with far more years worked within such than myself....well...unfortunately; I believe I'd have been very hard pressed to ever face any mirror again...just sayin'....

 

[Phoenix]

Have you still not figured out that usapa goes away with this merger? So usapa would not be here to sue. APA would take that responsibility. Unlike ALPA that did not go away. Even though ALPA did not represent TWA anymore they still existed.

Just like when a company acquires a BK company those debts transfer to the new company in this case union.

I know you guys have a difficult time with reality and keeping up with the facts. But please try.

The APA saw what happened to ALPA they don't want that to happen to APA.

Your're still trying to play off your brilliance but you should just stick to your first stroke of genius.

Why did TWA sue ALPA and not APA? Hint: TWA pilots are APA pilots now (after ALPA made the agreement with APA), just like YOU will be an APA pilot (after USAPA makes a deal with APA). If you think you are going to sue APA for a DFR that USAPA is responsible for, then why didn't ALPA get off the hook by saying APA inherited everything? Because they didn't! And since APA didn't inherit any guilt from ALPA's former resposabilities, they won't inherit any guilt from USAPA's.

Don't be so shy. Take a bow, we are applauding you.

 

[EastCheats]

Well norm that explains why all you east guys act the same way.

It's the water!

I left off one side-effect, ED. It's due to stepping on your crank too many times. A three-way is very unlikely as well.

 

[cleardirect]

Your're still trying to play off your brilliance but you should just stick to your first stroke of genius.

Why did TWA sue ALPA and not APA? Hint: TWA pilots are APA pilots now (after ALPA made the agreement with APA), just like YOU will be an APA pilot (after USAPA makes a deal with APA). If you think you are going to sue APA for a DFR that USAPA is responsible for, then why didn't ALPA get off the hook by saying APA inherited everything? Because they didn't! And since APA didn't inherit any guilt from ALPA's former resposabilities, they won't inherit any guilt from USAPA's.

Don't be so shy. Take a bow, we are applauding you.

So you think that usapa can intentionally DFR the west and walk away because the union goes away without penalty?

You are less smart than I ever thought.

Answer this. When usapa goes away does the owner of the building get stuck with an empty space and no one to collect from? Usapa still owes Seham about $250,000 does he have no one to collect from? Usapa has some money in the bank. What happens to that money? Hummel get a severance bonus for being a good guy or does that cash transfer to the new union?

Changing your name does not get you out of your responsibilities.

 

[cleardirect]

One other thing. If usapa dont not exist to sue for DFR they does exist to appeal judge Silvers ruling, take to SCOTUS. They don't exist to fight not getting CofC or scope.

You would have to rely on APA to do that. You had better hope APA treats you better than usapa treated the west.

 

[EastUS1]

Pay attention... In the TWA mess, APA did NOT get sued. APLA was sued.

Indeed. It's always the "little details" that are so easily overlooked....

 

[EastUS1]

Would be a devious scab plan save one minor detail.

AOL in that case does not sue the defunct usapa. AOL sues the Airline Parties. Remember those guys? The ones with the actual money and a collective bargaining agreement with the West pilot class.

oh, and without going into much detail...we also sue the APA, not usapa.

Which, without any possible doubt would result in "billions in damages"/etc. Understood

 

[Phoenix]

So you think that usapa can intentionally DFR the west and walk away because the union goes away without penalty?

You are less smart than I ever thought.

Answer this. When usapa goes away does the owner of the building get stuck with an empty space and no one to collect from? Usapa still owes Seham about $250,000 does he have no one to collect from? Usapa has some money in the bank. What happens to that money? Hummel get a severance bonus for being a good guy or does that cash transfer to the new union?

Changing your name does not get you out of your responsibilities.

Are you now saying that no one can sue APA because they didn't inherit any of USAPA's responsibilities? Your brillience is starting to shine through again!

 

[Black Swan]

Your're still trying to play off your brilliance but you should just stick to your first stroke of genius.

Why did TWA sue ALPA and not APA? Hint: TWA pilots are APA pilots now (after ALPA made the agreement with APA), just like YOU will be an APA pilot (after USAPA makes a deal with APA). If you think you are going to sue APA for a DFR that USAPA is responsible for, then why didn't ALPA get off the hook by saying APA inherited everything? Because they didn't! And since APA didn't inherit any guilt from ALPA's former resposabilities, they won't inherit any guilt from USAPA's.

Don't be so shy. Take a bow, we are applauding you.





Indeed! Take a bow. USAPA will be long gone after any integration with APA. There won't be anything left to sue! Unlike ALPA. USAPA is just doing its' job to represent the majority of pilots in the transaction. Just because they aren't around in a few years later after it is all said and done, is nobodys fault. It is just a normal course of events, a perfect example of what Freund warned of. "All the risk lies with the west......" Can't say the West was not warned, and they were. It is just the normal course of events in a merger. If the West wants to go ahead fully warned about the danger of no compromise, that is their lot in life.How do you sue, when you knew the Nic was not required by USAPA to use? Even the 9th said it over and over. If you don't listen, that is your fault. I wish there was some compromise, and the Nic obviously isn't working.

 

[Phoenix]

One other thing. If usapa dont not exist to sue for DFR they does exist to appeal judge Silvers ruling, take to SCOTUS. They don't exist to fight not getting CofC or scope.

You would have to rely on APA to do that. You had better hope APA treats you better than usapa treated the west.

Slow down a little. Your coherence is starting to break up.

 

[EastUS1]

Actually, there are RLA experts on all three sides.

All the other experts think usaspa is a DFR liability for their scab venture off the Nic.

Umm..." All the other experts think.."? Have you polled "All the other experts", or is this yet another "The rest of the world" type of statement?

 

[Claxon]

This is a little too ironic. The westerners want USAPA dead and gone, and in an American merge it will, but they still want it around so they can sue it because they were not smart enough to figure out the Nicolau Scheme wasn't going to work and they want recourse! And when they save their money for another useless assault with the Jacobs team, which already spent their millions on an unripe assault, they will have no entity to sue! Hilarious! The Disciples are honestly coddled youth who are not listening to adult supervision. Which is is westerners? Do you or do you not want USAPA? Take your pick.

 

[cleardirect]

Are you now saying that no one can sue APA because they didn't inherit any of USAPA's responsibilities? Your brillience is starting to shine through again!

You really can't be this stupid.

 

[Claxon]

You really can't be this stupid.





No, you are the one who is stupid. And warned also. Over and over with your corrupt AOL which is SOL now. There will be nothing to sue when you carry your stupid plan to the point where it turns to dust. Sue Studebaker Motors some time while you are at it, and also DeLorean. See where that gets you also.

 

[Phoenix]

You really can't be this stupid.

I make no claims of brilliance, neither take any credit for your observation.

APA watched ALPA get sued. Since you have alerted us we know where to be so we can get a front row seat when APA watches USAPA get sued.