June - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[EastUS1]

Not all unions use DOH...I have posted this before.

Within some unions seniority is not a factor, so it does not even matter, others use methods commenserate to their particular industry in order to assign jobs, and positions are determined by other factors as well.

So, you are wrong in your "virtually all other unions" statement. Actually very wrong.

This interests me Jake, as I'm not against gaining more knowledge of any given subject. What particular unions do you have in mind in your post here?

 

[EastUS1]

I was hired by the tow truck company. The low-life ingrate tried to swipe my truck after I pulled him out!

Hmmm....so, at the time you were initially hired, it was for the expressed purpose of later "saving" others, and not simply as some line employee? Sigh!...I see...so then..best to just make yourself comfortable on the couch, take a few slow, long deep breaths, and when you're ready; tell us all when you first started having these types of fantasies? 😉

 

[EastUS1]

More importantly I or any of the west pilots stole anything from you.

True. But certainly not from lack of your trying. You've just been prevented from doing so. What's your point? 😉

 

[traderjake]

Additonally; are you suggesting that the AFA, and virtually all other unions (outside of this insane industry at least), are all wrong in their methods...because a small handful of arbitrations have used some witches cauldron from which to draw forth results?

I'm saying that we're not Flight Attendants, blacksmiths, or buggy whip makers and that their methods are not applicable to our job.

USAPA, working hard to restore to the pilot profession the long ago abandoned seniority sytem used by plumbers and brick layers.

 

[cleardirect]

True. But certainly not from lack of your trying. You've just been prevented from doing so. What's your point? 😉

Again the west pilots have not tried to steal anything from you. We are enforcing an arbitration done by a veteran. Are you trying to say that Nicolau is a thief stealing from the east pilots giving to the west?

 

[nic4us]

This interests me Jake, as I'm not against gaining more knowledge of any given subject. What particular unions do you have in mind in your post here?

What functions do you think the Major League Baseball Players Association performs. They surely do not determine who bats when and for what team.

Then you have the Screen Actors Guild, various Musicians' Unions, etc....it don't matter how long you been playin or even if you are Chet Atkins, if somebody ain't looking for country, your not hired.

Lets move on to a hard core labor group, the Seafarers do not assign positions based on longevity ranked seniority.... and I am thinking neither does any union who represents people of varying qualifications as is the case with the Seafareres.

Further, what we have been haggling over the past 7 years is not how to base seniority at a company, it is how to arrive at a combined seniority list. On the day of the merger not a single east pilot had any more time in service at LCC than any West pilots. so, your arguements about time in service in class and craft are BS, because there are plenty of West pilots who have been flying airliners for just as many if not more years than the rookies usapa wants to advance at their expense.

 

[traderjake]

This interests me Jake, as I'm not against gaining more knowledge of any given subject. What particular unions do you have in mind in your post here?

I suggest you ask the person who made the post.

See post above.

 

[EastUS1]

I'm saying that we're not Flight Attendants, blacksmiths, or buggy whip makers and that their methods are not applicable to our job.

USAPA, working hard to restore to the pilot profession the long ago abandoned seniority sytem used by plumbers and brick layers.

"are not applicable to our job" That provides the abundant raw material for our vehement disagreement methinks, as I can't logically fault using the very same unionist notions as those of plumbers/any trade class/etc for our purposes, and to do otherwise seems to me a massive mistake, and wholesale assault on unionist principles. I believe I understand your thoughts there, but must disagree completely.

 

[nic4us]

oh ...and who is Jake??

 

[EastUS1]

Again the west pilots have not tried to steal anything from you.

Strange, as that flies in the face of all that's actually taken place these past years. If that were at ALL a true statment; What then, was the clearly huge problem with accepting ANY fences for the west?...Umm....Hmm...Thought as much.....I think we're done here.

 

[EastUS1]

oh ...and who is Jake??

Traderjake. Wrong address in replying...oops! my bad.

 

[nic4us]

True. But certainly not from lack of your trying. You've just been prevented from doing so. What's your point? 😉

care to retract this statement.

 

[EastUS1]

care to retract this statement.

No, as that was in reply to a poster who, in my estimation, is trying to do exactly that.

 

[EastUS1]

care to retract this statement.

Further clarification should be rendered complete by noting that I assign no group-think, nor any aspersions to all out west, and have indeed met some good sorts of folks within that group.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Still waiting on that list East.....either prove I'm a liar as you claimed or apologize...

Jim