June - US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Move2CLT]

Hey FA,

You got money put away for that longevity overpayment the company is going to collect on?

 

[mrbreeze]

Wait now! Hang on, I know this one!

You have a successful side business and don't need this job so it's more like a hobby.

LMAO!

Did you guys get that script in the first day of class?

Wrong, my friend,

This guy has been a senior Cpt here for a long time. What's kool about him is that he could have sold out his more junior colleagues, but chose to stand with his co-workers against the inequities of the NIC. The NIC has no effect on him.

breeze

 

[mrbreeze]

Just to end the speculation regarding Easties. Yep. Us West guys are laughing our asses off at you idiots. All you Eastholes shouldn't be allowed to drive a F'in Zamboni let alone and airplane full of innocent people. Way to go! no other group in aviation history has F'd up their careers as much as you guys have. Hummel is trying to protect you from yourselves...so of course you want him recalled...Easties, as a group, are the dumbest MF'ers to ever disgrace the skies.

Res,

I have shown that you made an idiot of yourself....you probably didn't even read the recall letter before you spewed your usual vile.......with name calling and cursing.

No..."oops, my bad."......no apology.

Your attitude sucks and drags this pilot group down. And you claim that the East pilots lack integrity, while showing your ###. The only thing you have ever done here is add to the animosity that is keeping the pot stirred and causing problems.

breeze

 

[mrbreeze]

You know what drags this pilot group down MF'er? Scabs. You. Listen A.H. if you didn't want any pots stirred and problems caused, you definitely f'd with the wrong people. My attitude sucks to be sure. I'm on a mission to make you pay. So far I'd say I've been pretty successful...LOA 93 for year after year and all.

Yeah, with no NIC

The problem is that things may be starting to move forward......but some DH like you, without thinking, starts the name calling and cursing. Get with the program, or lose.

breeze

 

[A320 Driver]

You know what drags this pilot group down MF'er? Scabs. You. Listen A.H. if you didn't want any pots stirred and problems caused, you definitely f'd with the wrong people. My attitude sucks to be sure. I'm on a mission to make you pay. So far I'd say I've been pretty successful...LOA 93 for year after year and all.

What drags this pilot group down is thugs on both sides.

Perfect example.

Driver...

 

[mrbreeze]

You know what drags this pilot group down MF'er? Scabs. You. Listen A.H. if you didn't want any pots stirred and problems caused, you definitely f'd with the wrong people. My attitude sucks to be sure. I'm on a mission to make you pay. So far I'd say I've been pretty successful...LOA 93 for year after year and all.

The only thing you have been successful at is making an ass of yourself.

breeze

 

[767one]

I'm sure Paul Music is a fine man. But whether you are in the Cleary camp or the Hummel camp, I believe whatever we try to do is simply too litlle, too late.

Problem is we're camped out on a beach with a suddenly receding tide and a tsunami in the harbor, while we argue over who washes the dishes.

Time to find the surfboard (or even an old door). Might be one hell of a ride.

 

[767one]

I'm pretty sure an East pilot with 767 in his username told claxon to give the scab name calling a rest.

If you want to defend claxon be my guest.

I don't remember making that post but I'm an old guy and sometimes forget things........what were we talking about? Seriously I think it would be a good idea if the word scab was not mentioned by anybody. Not to mention accidents, alcohol incidents, etc, etc. The problem with throwing "fertilizer" across the fence at each other is that someone will throw it right back and eventually both sides are covered with "fertilizer"

 

[cleardirect]

Jim,

Your past 2 post referencing myself were ur typical talking down to me with some questions thrown in. Didn't reply because the posted questions simply confused me. Perhaps it was me.
As far as above, the only reference to APA relative talk I've seen referenced the McCaskill -bond with wide body protections that insulate large #'s from potential relative harm.
It behooves APA not to take any stance on sli, they would only open up scrutiny and divisiveness at the wrong time.
We all seriously know they will do as ALL unions do to protect their own first and foremost .
If you think they will oblige the 2005 AWA FO relative status per the Nic above huge #'s of APA bretheren then it's futile chatting with you.
Have you read anywhere a statement of relative per Nic or as of NOW in 2012 ?
I think latter way more likely per my experience of human nature.
I'll repeat myself as you like to do, those diehard DOH guys u always reference where fine with fences to protect ALL and by far mostly just wanted to protect the attrition they've waited 2 decades + for.

FA

NO!

If that were the case that the die hard DOH guys were fine with just fences they would not have put DOH in the C&BL and changed union. They would have put Fences to protect attrition in the C&BL. If fences would have OK all those meeting they would have offered fences instead of LOS and furlough by LOS. No, you guys wanted it all, you still want it all, you think you deserve it all and the way you were going to get it was by DOH.

Fences were not on the agenda during the arbitration. I looked at 6 days of transcripts and searched for the word fence. It only came up twice in the context of a transition agreement with the company. If fences were so important the east should have brought them up during the arbitration but never did. Only after you did not get what you want did you guys start talking about fences. Well you have already had a 7 year fence. That is more than you are entitled to and you have paid for them.

 

[Pi brat]

And a Delta A320 fo will make $20 an hour more than a east 320 captain. LMFAO!!!

Which is what? A couple dollars more an hour than a west 320 captain? Yeah, I can see why you are laughing. Winning!

 

[nycbusdriver]

Wait now! Hang on, I know this one!

You have a successful side business and don't need this job so it's more like a hobby.

LMAO!

Did you guys get that script in the first day of class?

Nope. One source of income. And it's better than yours.

Always was, and will always continue to be so.

 

[fatherabraham]

Complete crap.

Those diehard DOH guys wanted to upgrade using west seats. With fences in place, there would have been east pilots that would not have seen the left seat before retirement. So in order to get their seats back, they would have to go through PHX to get them.

That's why the east wanted DOH with no fences. Nicolau offered more time to resolve this but the east refused.

You guys are where you're at because of your greed and you've paid for it economically.

So save your victim crap for someone that cares. Not too many do though.

Morning Boo Boo,

In your words " Complete crap ".

I really don't think your take on a negotiation process that started 7 years ago with many players over a long span of time in often closed sessions warrants such assured authority on how those " diehard DOH " played their cards. Spare me the document(s) you may have validating such a stance, it's never the whole story. The " he said.....she said " stories are historically irrelevant today. Your threat of dfr and ALL cowering to it going forward is nice HOPE for ya.......just keep repeating repeating repeating repeating repeating repeating

FA

 

[fatherabraham]

Hey FA,

You got money put away for that longevity overpayment the company is going to collect on?

Boo Boo,

What are you implying , you know I've never been furloughed?
Will you pony up the cash for my 2013 furlough med insurance as we've done in past?
Oh disregard , one of my VP's just told me I'm covered under 5 of my 10 side businesses. ;-)

FA

 

[EastUS1]

That's those junior guys FA and East claim that they don't want to throw under the bus.

"claim" huh? I suppose an utterly vile creature, such as yourself, would have to attempt some colorization such as that, given that you would otherwise have to consider your disgusting glee with the idea of continuously throwing not only the junior "under the bus", but the entire work group you shared aircraft with over the course of your time flying. Have a nice trip to alaska, and don't forget to check out some of the bears....preferably...up close and personal...assuming that even their amazingly robust disgestive systems could handle it 😉

 

[cleardirect]

Nope. One source of income. And it's better than yours.

Always was, and will always continue to be so.

Well i guess that makes you smarter and an all around better person because you make more money. (In your mind) Does that make you a better person than those on the east that make less than you? Do you go around the crew room pointing your finger and stating "I make more than you."

Do you have more vacation time, better work rules, better quality of life, weekends off, holidays off and those special days off that you need? It is not all about the money. But you guy feel the need to measure yourself. Pay rate and DOH. But you guys are about to find out that the pay rate is not the only thing in the contract. This American deal might have a decent pay rate but the rest of the work rules are going to suck. But going from your crappy rules to a little less crappy rules is an improvement.

But you know if you want to measure your worth by W-2 step right up against DAL, UAL, SWA, AA even in BK. Tell us how you come out.

New DAL rates.

B-777-200 CA268.64 FO183.49
B767/ 757 CA 224.86 FO 153.58
B737700/800 CA215.63 FO 147.27
A320 CA208.06 FO142.11
EMB195 CA162.91 FO111.27
EMB190/CRJ700 CA 138.59 FO 94.65

What is it you make? Less than an F/O at DAL.