Loss of 14 months senority

[700UW]

If you really care about it you or other people in the classification would contact him it effects you not I.

If it really mattered to the members involved they would drive over to 3100-C Piper Lane and voice their concerns, sometimes you have to help and fight your own battles instead of asking everyone else to do it for you.

GO seek out Tony, he will be receptive and bring it to the table.

Equal treatment by their reps.

 

[Seatacus]

What if a person only has twelve months here?

Then that person better vote fotr the FCFS boarding priority for non-revs.

 

[Phantom Fixer]

If you really care about it you or other people in the classification would contact him it effects you not I.

If it really mattered to the members involved they would drive over to 3100-C Piper Lane and voice their concerns, sometimes you have to help and fight your own battles instead of asking everyone else to do it for you.

GO seek out Tony, he will be receptive and bring it to the table.

Equal treatment by their reps.

Well this says it all folks.

Our resident Champion of the IAM Cause says it's NOT his problem when a clear cut wrong in how the IAM negotiated a contract is presented to him. Take heed of this Westie's

It's someone elses fight....but yet they are ever so eager to take the dues from this group without getting equal representation and treatment for those dues.

You wonder why people look at the IAM with a high degree of distrust...and this is clearly why. I hope everyone sees this ..and remembers this the next time 700 speaks of being a Union Leader and Negotiator. This is the attitude your Union Dues are paying for twice a month.

 

[smorzando]

Well this says it all folks.

Our resident Champion of the IAM Cause says it's NOT his problem when a clear cut wrong in how the IAM negotiated a contract is presented to him. Take heed of this Westie's

It's someone elses fight....but yet they are ever so eager to take the dues from this group without getting equal representation and treatment for those dues.

You wonder why people look at the IAM with a high degree of distrust...and this is clearly why. I hope everyone sees this ..and remembers this the next time 700 speaks of being a Union Leader and Negotiator. This is the attitude your Union Dues are paying for twice a month.

Amen


Here's your new seniority song:

Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye
He'll never love you, the way that I love you
'Cause if he did, no no, he wouldn't make you cry
He might be thrillin' baby but a-my love (my love, my love)
So dog-gone willin'
So kiss him (I wanna see you kiss him, wanna see you kiss him)
Go on and kiss him goodbye

Na na na na, hey hey-hey, goodbye
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye
Listen to me now
He's never near you to comfort and cheer you
When all those sad tears are fallin' baby from your eyes
He might be thrillin' baby but a-my love (my love, my love)
So dog-gone willin'
So kiss him (I wanna see you kiss him. I wanna see you kiss him)
Go on and kiss him goodbye

Na-na na-na-na na na na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye
Hey hey-hey, goodbye
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye
Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye

 

[700UW]

And this is just for you (edited by moderator):

Don't worry 700, I will not respond to your nonsense nor ever read these boards any longer, it’s over for me, just a damn shame the IAM is still there. I just wanted to point out some very real facts to balance your insanity called posts.

Phantom:

The bottom line is you will have to see the GC and the NC in order to get that change, your classification has to step up and make the move in order to get the ball rolling.

And since stores is now seperate, they won't be involved with your talks and will have their own.

God forbid someone can actually do something for themeselves to effort change.

Go see the GC and explain to him the situation.

And dont forget you had members of your OWN classification who accepted it.

 

[Phantom Fixer]

The bottom line is you will have to see the GC and the NC in order to get that change, your classification has to step up and make the move in order to get the ball rolling.

And since stores is now seperate, they won't be involved with your talks and will have their own.

God forbid someone can actually do something for themeselves to effort change.

Go see the GC and explain to him the situation.

And dont forget you had members of your OWN classification who accepted it.

I can see that I'm really dealing with the "Dimwitted" here

This is NOT my personal problem or even my classification...for at least the third time.

This is however a gross oversight that the IAM signed off on or rather bought into.

Equal dues commands equal treatment , No matter whom said what or whom accepted what.

I have no idea whom the Planning group had representing this during the so-called negotiations...but I'm willing to bet that it was some with a self-serving agenda as opposed to looking out for the entire group , pretty much like how the IAM always attempts the favor PIT over CLT when it comes to work. The Airbus work for example going to PIT was NO accident...it was protectionism on the part of the IAM in PIT....as the Boeings future was/is looking more uncertain.

Spare me the CRAP about doing something for ones self....People are Shelling out money twice a month for your so-called representation....How about earning that money for a change by taking this issue to your buddies at the top and getting it corrected for these folks.

 

[700UW]

And there are about 3,000 M&R and only THREE GCs to service them, they are not mind readers and people have to get involved to effort change, not just sit back and expect someone else to read their minds.

Funny last time I checked Material Services is part of that group.
#################### were part of negotiations and they were rank and file workers from the bargaining unit.

Maybe you should contact them?

And the language is quite clear credit for time in any previous classification under the CBA and DOH for the rest.

Ask they why it was done that way?

And glad to see you have to insult instead of actually lifting a finger to help.

 

[Phantom Fixer]

OK.....You are the self-proclaimed IAM guy around here , note that you manage to Hi-Jack damn near any thread on this board with the IAM party line in some fashion or another.

You are supposed to be the one in the know and with all the contacts. What's wrong with you bringing this up to them? , or would a moment of your time cut in to being the IAM Propaganda Minister here?

Do you not see why people don't trust you or the IAM at times? Most likely not , with all considered. Your reponses speak volumns about your real interest, or lack there of in regards to Fair treatment of your supposed Union Brothers and Sisters

In my way of thinking...A true Trade Unionist such as you profess yourself to be , would take great interest in righting a wrong , or is that only when you yourself get your toes stepped on?

Lets keep in mind what's involved here. People can be bumped out of station or even furloughed out of a job based departamental senority under these conditions..the merger amplifies these chances too.

As I said before...whom said what and when means nothing...and outting people by name was not very cricket either. (reference your buck passing of the NC)

I hope nobody ever puts your business out there...as I'm sure you'd be less than happy about that.

 

[700UW]

Like I said, the effected members need to contact the GC, is that so hard to do?

And I did not out anyone, their names are on the Transition Agreement for Planners and such, right in plain view for everyone who has a copy of the CBA to read. It is public knowledge, not super top secret information.

I have plenty of interest but I do not represent that group, they have to go through proper channels, but once again, no one can step up and try to help themselves by placing a phone call or actually driving one mile from the Hangar in CLT to go see Tony G, or better yet, walk to the Grievance Committee Office in the hangar to talk to them about it.

That is pretty sad, if it is so important to them, we have negotiated three contracts since then and there was not even a mention of the seniority issue, specifically not in the last concessionary talks.

 

[Phantom Fixer]

Oh..I'm so surprised thier was no mention of it...those doing the so-called negotiating are not remotely impacted do in part to very very high senority.

The company would either have to outsource everything or shut down for people loike that to be affected so I'm told...and my sources are 100% reliable on that fact.

Typical Union response 700....."It's NOT my job" hope readers here will consider your true colors the next time you spout the party line here. It's not about Right over Wrong...it's purely about the dues as it seems.

 

[700UW]

Glad to see you cant even acknowledge the employee's personal responsibility to actually lift a finger to help themeselves.

And you wonder why the company gets away with things.

People have to get involved in order to make change happen.

But it is easy for someone like you to sit on the sidelines and throw barbs then to get off your rear end and actually do something about it.

Keep up the dodging and deflecting, you show YOU'RE True Colors. Guess you are just a member of a union and not a union member.

I just saw this on another thread, how appropriate:

Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation, are people who want crops without ploughing the ground; they want rain without thunder and lightning; they want the ocean without the roar of its many waters. The struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, or it may be both. But it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand; it never has and it never will.

Frederick Douglas, 1857

 

[Phantom Fixer]

Glad to see you cant even acknowledge the employee's personal responsibility to actually lift a finger to help themeselves.

And you wonder why the company gets away with things.

People have to get involved in order to make change happen.

But it is easy for someone like you to sit on the sidelines and throw barbs then to get off your rear end and actually do something about it.

Keep up the dodging and deflecting, you show YOU'RE True Colors. Guess you are just a member of a union and not a union member.

I just saw this on another thread, how appropriate:

 

[Phantom Fixer]

700UW,

You are the one that's deflecting the truth here. The IAM was or should be accountable for this mistake.

Why in the Wide World of Sports would the IAM reach an agreement with the company with inconsistant Senority langauge from all the other covered groups to begin with? The simple answer is this...They wanted to get the contract ratified and start collecting the dues. Nothing less , Nothing more.

The Planning Group was nothing more than feathering the nest or padding the bank account. If they we're really interested in representing the group in an alike minded manner? This would have NEVER EVER slid by. Imagine the same scenario if that would have taken place within the ranks of the Mechanics , Utility or the Stores Dept. at the time a new contract was being negotiated. I know I'd be raising fifty kinds of hell.


By the way...I'm informed that this Senority issue has already put at least one person on the street whom had far more time in the classification as opposed to the simple way of using DOH to govern things. Who's going to make this person whole again?

 

[smorzando]

To My Love 700:

I see you and P are going head to head, P is using his head while you wish you had one.

You can not excuse the inexcusable no matter how you spin it. You are the same old [edited] on and on that you always were. Now that you are in the union you feel like you're born again trying to get a lid on your angry and vulgar outburst you are famous for. Like one poster put it, the “Boofacation" of the boards. I saw your pictures in email, short fat bald guy and obviously with a big mouth, typical.

You need mental help as these boards are truly your addiction. No one cares what you say little guy, no one with a clue. You have one thing going for you, seniority, no skills, no education, and why you act like the IAM is your life blood, because they are.

 

[scot]

I heard that we all lost 14 months senority
They say if you call HR your date of hire has been changed

So is it true and what is the CWA doing about it?

Is this for ALL groups and not CWA alone (the one mentioned in the first post)? We need to get it back to the topic at hand and knock off all the other garbage. I'm feeling some quiet time for a couple of folks this weekend.