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M&R how we can get a consensual agreement
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If its overhaul they will send them to MROs. Where we can all get great paying jobs in Greensboro or Dothan right?
When Pan Am and EAL shut their doors the overhaul was mostly done in-house by them and the other operators. Now not so much. Again, jobs in Greensboro and Dothan now.
Line may pick up some heads but capacity will be removed to drive up prices. It's not about how many are flying, it's about how much they are paying. By removing a competitor the airlines can drive up prices in theory. That assumes a start up doesn't jump in with a jetBlue type deal with no payments on planes up front or some other scam. There is very little if any immediate upside to the current situation. Anyone who has to start over is going to spend many years getting back to the top of the pay scale.
Overall, it’s difficult for me to read this stuff with a straight face. Do you seriously think that we are going to get a significant pay increase (above what was offered), improved scope, better health care, and system protection in a bankruptcy proceeding? Carriers go into bankruptcy to reduce costs, not to raise them. What you are saying is that your bottom line for a consensual agreement are contract improvements. When has that happened? The answer is never, and what you are going to get by pursuing this delusion is the rejection of your agreement. The Company may or may not negotiate after that, but they are not going to add to the LBO and there is nothing you can do to force them to. And while that process is strung out in mediation the Company will dismantle heavy overhaul and Title II brick by brick. But based on how you talk about the line so much that may not matter to you.
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FEAR!!!!
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There is rational and irrational fear.
I am anxious to see that I am very wrong and no one will lose their jobs and we will all get top pay.
FEAR
It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid.
A coward lives in FEAR.
Someone that sits on his arse and plays dominos all day knows he won't be able to get a job elsewhere because he knows inside he's a worthless POS. ie Rick Mullings
It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid.
A coward lives in FEAR.
Someone that sits on his arse and plays dominos all day knows he won't be able to get a job elsewhere because he knows inside he's a worthless POS. ie Rick Mullings
enough already
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If the vote went YES this would be a moot point.
Well, so much for there being no "me too clause". This item cut and paste from TWU Q&A sent out today.
Q. What happens if another group gets a better overall ask than the one to which our bargaining unit agreed?
A. Through the "me-too" clause contained in the ratified contracts as well as pursuant to the understanding we have with AA, each group who voted yes will receive the same percentage reduction in their total give back amount as does any other bargaining group. However, AA maintains that all groups must still meet their full ask amounts.
Q. What happens if another group gets a better overall ask than the one to which our bargaining unit agreed?
A. Through the "me-too" clause contained in the ratified contracts as well as pursuant to the understanding we have with AA, each group who voted yes will receive the same percentage reduction in their total give back amount as does any other bargaining group. However, AA maintains that all groups must still meet their full ask amounts.
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Why doesn't the Union change directions as it pertains to M&R, in that a proposal to actually allow more RIF's or early outs, while implementing work rules that define boundries, regarding production, safety standards, and attendance policies, and then use those savings to raise the pay to match to the industry? A happy work force is a successful work force.
If you really want to save jobs, this in the long run is your best option.
In other words run the maintenance department like a business that wants to stay in business, instead of one being over run by a Union agenda that will cause the overhaul to be shuttered. Concessions for jobs needs to be reversed and a viable business plan that will not only save jobs, but create jobs in the long run.
Why does the TWU allow fear of the short term job cuts to trump common business sense?
We can do overhaul work and compete, if fact we can make profits doing the work, but the concessions for jobs approach is the WRONG direction.
A leaner more efficient work force, combined with changes in our management skills will allow the Tulsa base to thrive into third party work. Once the leaner more efficient work force is in place, demand a transition to operate the whole base as if it were FAR145 and AA is the customer. Then and only then can third party be done successfully.
In other words forget Union Dues for a few minutes and think long term and viable business plan that creates more jobs in the long run.
I know that is impossible for fear mongering TWU stooges to even imagine.
If you really want to save jobs, this in the long run is your best option.
In other words run the maintenance department like a business that wants to stay in business, instead of one being over run by a Union agenda that will cause the overhaul to be shuttered. Concessions for jobs needs to be reversed and a viable business plan that will not only save jobs, but create jobs in the long run.
Why does the TWU allow fear of the short term job cuts to trump common business sense?
We can do overhaul work and compete, if fact we can make profits doing the work, but the concessions for jobs approach is the WRONG direction.
A leaner more efficient work force, combined with changes in our management skills will allow the Tulsa base to thrive into third party work. Once the leaner more efficient work force is in place, demand a transition to operate the whole base as if it were FAR145 and AA is the customer. Then and only then can third party be done successfully.
In other words forget Union Dues for a few minutes and think long term and viable business plan that creates more jobs in the long run.
I know that is impossible for fear mongering TWU stooges to even imagine.
The only way we get a better deal with AA, is by shifting the deck chairs on the Titanic. It is looking less likely that the M&R group will be able to secure a contract. Lets face it, the groups that voted yes were at parity or at least real close with their industry peers. On the other hand, AMTs at AA lag wAAy behind their industry peers in both pay and benefits. This disparity in pay and benefits coupled with a six year agreement, is why this POS LBO was voted down. Things should get interesting to see how AA , Jim Little, and the Local 514 spineless mouthpieces attempt to repackage this turd.
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Do you believe that the settlement offer we just voted on had anything to do with the TWU or negotiations?
It was an offer from the company. That is why the international and local 514 took a neutral position until the discovered that it was going down.
Some may think that if the M&R and stores were to get a better deal then the other 5 TWU ratifiers would also improve on their deal. I don't think so.
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This argument was presented by TWU lawyers in BK court on the 11th. see court docket 2726.
Very interesting.
The offer was engineered to pass - and seem like not so bad of a deal when compared with the term sheets. Actually brilliant, almost worked; thankfully enough of the membership have had enough of this BS. You will always have your union blind follower types as evidenced by the likes of Overspeed & Strake. Those types never question the motives of the international or any local leadership.
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Why did the local 514 videos take the co. position and push the Yes vote, after Sam insisted a neutral stance? These union blind follower types are like mushrooms and like it that way. The unfortunate truth is that the union and the co. like it that way too! Can we train mushroom people to read? Can we train union leaders to represent the members? Opinions are formed from what the leaders say, and not formed from individual reading comprehension.
