McCain Speaks
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Why didn't you post the rest of the quote in your link? Especially what came after it....
"But the key to it is we don't want any more Americans in harm's way."
Politicians under pressure will gaff and screw up, that's a certainty. The argument is that he believes the surge was and has been effective. There aren't too many people out there who can argue that point with certainty, unless they themselves have made trips to Iraq to evaluate the progress before and after the surge.
It should also be said that McCain has said time and time again that he is not running on a "stay the course" strategy. More abtly he is, more than any other candidate, sensitive to the ramifications that a hasty withdrawal would cost the US on many fronts. I'm really not out to defend him, but the democratic party is hedging this entire election with marketing McCain as Bush III, when in fact, he and the President have more which seperates them than they have in common.
"But the key to it is we don't want any more Americans in harm's way."
Politicians under pressure will gaff and screw up, that's a certainty. The argument is that he believes the surge was and has been effective. There aren't too many people out there who can argue that point with certainty, unless they themselves have made trips to Iraq to evaluate the progress before and after the surge.
It should also be said that McCain has said time and time again that he is not running on a "stay the course" strategy. More abtly he is, more than any other candidate, sensitive to the ramifications that a hasty withdrawal would cost the US on many fronts. I'm really not out to defend him, but the democratic party is hedging this entire election with marketing McCain as Bush III, when in fact, he and the President have more which seperates them than they have in common.
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Will our withdrawal from Iraq be a bit more hasty should we end up at war with Iran?
And they had more which separated them in 2000...but between then and now, McSame has flip-flopped so much that he makes John Kerry of 2004 look positively steadfast.
Before you get all wet.....there's a boatload of unanswered queeries and mis-statements from the other guy.
I am sure there are Dude. Feel free to post at will. You are welcome to start a "Barack Hussein Obama speaks" thread.
This is about the comment made today by John McCain.
He seemed to insinuate that all the soldiers and their families should expect to do more and to sacrifice as he did. I respect his service to our country as I do my dad's service.
That does not mean that he should expect everyone to have to experience what he has. He mentioned Korea, Germany, and Japan, and how long we have been there. Those people who are serving at those places also have their families there and are not in combat mode. I think he really believes that the old saying, "If we wanted you to have a wife, we would have issued you one", is still relevant.
Ask the family members of those "over there" if their coming home is "not too important". I am sure there are some on this board who actually have sons or daughters over there who read this board.
I hope not.
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You mean kind of like the campaign against Kerry..."I was for the war before I was against it"? I guess that's fine when it's your side doing the focusing.
Kerry made his own bed....
And what side am I ?
You sure get cratchety,Dude......
Any GOP sex scandals to crow about?
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So has McSame...he was against the tax cuts before he was for them. He was against torture until he was for it. He's changed his tune many times...and the GOP campaigned on just one of Kerry's "flip flops".Kerry made his own bed....
And what side am I ?
You sure get cratchety,Dude......
Any GOP sex scandals to crow about?
At least the Clinton sex scandal involved a girl. Most of the GOP sex scandals involve other men and usually include a senator or representative who was very outspoken against homosexuality.
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I can understand changing ones mind. I do it on occasion as well. I can understand his views changing on tax cuts. His change of mind on torture confuses the hell out of me. He suffered brutal torture. His fellow prisoners suffered brutal torture. He has been against torture for as long as I can remember. And not just 'I think torture is bad'. He was 100% against torture. Now he is running for office and 'OH what the hell, hook up the electrodes too his nuts and make him squeal'.
If that is not at the very least give the appearance of pandering for votes I do not know what does. I believe he sold out on a core value of his and I have a very difficult time respecting anyone who would do that.
If that is not at the very least give the appearance of pandering for votes I do not know what does. I believe he sold out on a core value of his and I have a very difficult time respecting anyone who would do that.
Just like 'Bush lied".....
I heard a tape on one them there right wing talk shows of all those Dem's signing off on the Saddam WMD thing.....yeah....Bush lied.....so did a whole lot of Dem's too....
I know what you mean.....they all pander.
Did you hear Obama after the Jerusalem remark?
I still don't think waterboarding is that big of an issue.....looks like it works and is more humane than other countries methods.
I heard a tape on one them there right wing talk shows of all those Dem's signing off on the Saddam WMD thing.....yeah....Bush lied.....so did a whole lot of Dem's too....
I know what you mean.....they all pander.
Did you hear Obama after the Jerusalem remark?
I still don't think waterboarding is that big of an issue.....looks like it works and is more humane than other countries methods.
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I do not know exactly how the Congress works in terms of classified information, who has access and at what level. I would assume that a great deal of the info garnered from the CIA, FBI, NSA and all the other acronyms in the US government are highly classified and very sensitive. Given that, I would assume that not all 535 members of the house and 100 senators have access to the same info that the POTUS has. If I recall correctly the Armed Services committee have high access than the rest of Congress (not sure though). Bottom line is that I suspect that a majority of Congress was having to rely on the interpretation of others who had access to the info. I also suspect that quite a few members of Congress voted for authorization due to the fact that had they not, they would have been unemployed next election. I can forgive the former, the latter is in my opinion a breach of contract. They are IMO civil servants and their only job is to serve the people that they represent, not their own self interests.
I do not believe the humanness of a method of torture is at issue. Never seen those two words in the same sentence before. Water boarding is torture. McCain said it was before he said it was not. Universally it is accepted as being torture. Whether it works or not is open for debate and more so, is not the issue. The US is supposed to be a civilized country. We advertise our selves as the beacon of freedom and justice. To allow torture in our boarders or on our behalf is an affront to our standards as a nation. We are supposed to be better than that. If we are not, why should the Iraqis believe that we have something better to offer them than what they already had?
I do not believe the humanness of a method of torture is at issue. Never seen those two words in the same sentence before. Water boarding is torture. McCain said it was before he said it was not. Universally it is accepted as being torture. Whether it works or not is open for debate and more so, is not the issue. The US is supposed to be a civilized country. We advertise our selves as the beacon of freedom and justice. To allow torture in our boarders or on our behalf is an affront to our standards as a nation. We are supposed to be better than that. If we are not, why should the Iraqis believe that we have something better to offer them than what they already had?
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Dems and Rep's are on record gassing off at the mouth all about the intelligence they claimed they saw and so on.And only Bush lied.....
Waterboarding is less damaging than cattle prods on the 'nads or bamboo under the nails or hot oil or whatever else one dreams up.....Hey.....its OK by me.Less damaging unless the subject croaks....but then...
What do you want to do,have them over for dinner and loosen them up a little with a wine or beer?
Waterboarding is less damaging than cattle prods on the 'nads or bamboo under the nails or hot oil or whatever else one dreams up.....Hey.....its OK by me.Less damaging unless the subject croaks....but then...
What do you want to do,have them over for dinner and loosen them up a little with a wine or beer?
