Mechanics Beware!

[aapitbull]

Are you that dense?

He was an AMFA member when he crossed the picket line, not an IAM member.

You are really making a donkey out of yourself.

Ignorance is bliss.

AMFA represented the mechanics at NW, not the IAM.

Keep trying, and dont let the facts get in your way.

I believe the implication was that this is the kind of elected offical we can expect to find in the IAM. While you are correct he was a AMFA member he also was a IAM president when they were on the property great leadership.

 

[700UW]

One individual does not make a whole organization.

Answer this, how many AMFA shop stewards, officers or any kind of rep crossed the line?

 

[Bob Owens]

Are you that dense?

He was an AMFA member when he crossed the picket line, not an IAM member.

You are really making a donkey out of yourself.

Ignorance is bliss.

AMFA represented the mechanics at NW, not the IAM.

Keep trying, and dont let the facts get in your way.

I hope you are not defending the scab?

I think I've shared this story before.
A few years back I was visiting family in the West of Ireland. train engineers had split from their Union, SEPTU, and formed their own union. The upstart went on strike and their employer had hoped that SEPTU would sanction letting the company use SEPTU members to scab, they refused. Sadly in this country unions are very quick to turn on each other. The ideology of the leaders seldom run deeper than a few slogans from the past, often they dont even know what the slogans mean. They encourage sacrifice to the employer and look at other unions as the enemy instead of the company thats stealing the benefits wages and dreams of their members. When union leaders encourage their members to give up wages and benefits in the hopes that it will make the host employer grow and increase dues flow, which are used to maintain a living standard for union leaders thats far far above that of those they represent then they are no longer unionists, they are pimps.

 

[737823]

I hope you are not defending the scab?

I think I've shared this story before.
A few years back I was visiting family in the West of Ireland. train engineers had split from their Union, SEPTU, and formed their own union. The upstart went on strike and their employer had hoped that SEPTU would sanction letting the company use SEPTU members to scab, they refused. Sadly in this country unions are very quick to turn on each other. The ideology of the leaders seldom run deeper than a few slogans from the past, often they dont even know what the slogans mean. They encourage sacrifice to the employer and look at other unions as the enemy instead of the company thats stealing the benefits wages and dreams of their members. When union leaders encourage their members to give up wages and benefits in the hopes that it will make the host employer grow and increase dues flow, which are used to maintain a living standard for union leaders thats far far above that of those they represent then they are no longer unionists, they are pimps.

BALPA pilots crossed the picketlines of UNITE represented cabin crew during the summer 2010 industrial action. BA came out largely unscathed, the entire LHR 777 and 747 operations ran uninterrupted, LCY ran a full schedule, and wet leased aircraft were sent to LGW causing minimal disruption. Are they similarly scabs?

Josh

 

[whoop whoop]

BS Flag whoop whoop,

You work at UNITED by way of Continental and you are a TEAMSTER! How the hell do you know what AA M&R are truly feeling? Even I am not brazen enough to make such a bold statement about a company I do not work at.

Unlike you, I have MANY friends in the industry and at AA. CAL was not my first airline, and I'm not holding my breath on UAL being my last. I have been around this industry a little more than your supposedly 40 years at UAL. ( I still am sure you are a SCAB teamster employee)

The teamsters were chosen by my peers at CAL to represent us, period. I am by no means a teamster or do they act like my coworkers and I are part of them.

So, yes I am brazen enough because I am confident in what I say, because I do not LIE and am not fearful of what comes out of my mouth.

 

[whoop whoop]

If an individual member crosses a picket line, it doesnt make a whole union scabs, and when he crossed he was an AMFA member, not IAM.

I am still waiting how doing receipt and dispatch and air starts broke AMFA? Considering the IAM FSAs did that at more stations than AMFA represented employees before the strike?

NWA broke AMFA by outsourcing heavy and hiring a 1,000 plus mechanics.

I have one question for you. Did the rampers perform receive & dispatch at stations that were sufficiently manned by mechanics?

 

[700UW]

I have a few for you.

Was the language all ready in the FSA CBA?

Was the language removed in the imposed CBA on AMFA?

What would happen if a FSA was insubordinate and refused to do work in the CBA?

 

[whoop whoop]

I will answer anything you want, but you must answer my question first before we can go on conversing. The answer to my question will determin how our conversation will go.

 

[blue collar]

I have a few for you.

Was the language all ready in the FSA CBA?

Was the language removed in the imposed CBA on AMFA?
What would happen if a FSA was insubordinate and refused to do work in the CBA?

Doesn't the IAM have in all of their CBAs that they don't have to cross legal picket lines? I know US m&r has it, I would be surprised if NW didnt have it.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Doesn't the IAM have in all of their CBAs that they don't have to cross legal picket lines? I know US m&r has it, I would be surprised if NW didnt have it.

Yes they did. Some chose not to perform the struck work. There were many IAM scabs who happily volunteered to go to other non maintenance stations to learn to do the receipt and dispatch that was done by the AMFA at maintenance stations.

There were some honorable who would have no part of it (Kev?)

I also know of a couple of gate agents who refused to cross the picket line at all. They were fired only to get their job back because of the clause.

Of course 700UWwill defend the IAM loyalist scabs until the end in his hatred for the AMFA. Sometimes I wonder if he is Bobby DePace himself?

 

[aapitbull]

I have a few for you.

Was the language all ready in the FSA CBA?

Was the language removed in the imposed CBA on AMFA?

What would happen if a FSA was insubordinate and refused to do work in the CBA?

Amfa did not have language imposed on them they went on strike thats the point.then your guys scabed and now you make excuses for them there was a IAM ramp guy in DFW that refused to cross I do not know what happened to him but he was a union man even if he eventually went back.

 

[700UW]

Better go read the RLA, when AMFA went on strike, NW imposed a new CBA.

 

[aapitbull]

You skipped right over the fact that the IAM lost all their members at NWA too, like I said what happened the SCAB Mechanic's, Fleet Service Workers & Gate agents are all non-union at Delta now. Just lucky to have a job I guess.

But you spend your time complaining that the Mechanic's walked and that was wrong in your mind, well I know more than a few of them and the ones I know do not feel that way. but I will let them speak for themselves, I wish we could poll them today I think it would be interesting to hear their thoughts.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

I wish we could poll them today I think it would be interesting to hear their thoughts.

You just did.

No regrets.

 

[700UW]

Where did I ever say it was wrong for them to strike?

It was wrong for them to be outsmarted by NW, have no strike fund, not let the members vote on the final offer and to alienate all the other unions on the property, their own sister union the PFAA didnt even honor the picket line.