New Attendance program

[charlie Brown]

Scoreboard... who was right about Change In Control? The sad thing about CIC was how quickly and tersely it was dismissed in a rather brief ruling. No need to address all issues, just one and that was more than enough.

Now once again, our cadre of bedroll attorneys doubling as ramp agents will opine while blindly ignoring the Tempe boys due diligence in advance of announcing new policies. By your own admission "the attendance policy being absent," but you forgot to include the CBA gave discretion to Management to set a policy. As I said, the arbitrator might throw us a bone on ex post facto penalizing for a policy which was not in place.

How much will this folly cost us in membership dues to grieve it? I am sure for the Nihilist Direction team of insiders they have a lengthy list favorite sons and pet projects to spend upon like drunken Republicans.

So Computes Jester.

Hey Jester never talked to ya before since Im a new post, but I have read many of your post. I was just wondering since you are either an ex canale boy or in mngmt what you have against the ND team. We gave Canale and his boys 10 long years and look what we have. If your offended that we voted that king of leadership out, than I have to wonder whats up? I mean if your proud of what they have produced than Im glad your not in Clt is all I can say. As far as spending our dues in going to abbt. yeah thats exactly what their doing, finally spending our dues on what it should be spent on. Whats wrong with that.

 

[necigrad]

Nah, to the degree I lack in Freedom's verbosity and loquacious style, I excel in vexing and dissecting.

Ummm... Wow. I'm actually a little impressed Jester.

 

[Jester]

Hey Jester never talked to ya before since Im a new post, but I have read many of your post. I was just wondering since you are either an ex canale boy or in mngmt what you have against the ND team. We gave Canale and his boys 10 long years and look what we have. If your offended that we voted that king of leadership out, than I have to wonder whats up? I mean if your proud of what they have produced than Im glad your not in Clt is all I can say. As far as spending our dues in going to abbt. yeah thats exactly what their doing, finally spending our dues on what it should be spent on. Whats wrong with that.

Valid questions... fair enough.

Once again, I am not part of management was never part of management and have absolutely no desire to be part of US Airways management. Furthermore, I was not part of Boss Canale's cronies, nor could I identify any of them and point of fact, I have been rather critical of prior so-called IAM "leadership" in this forum.

My problem so far with the "New Directions Team" would be their unrealistic expectations, lack of meaningful experience as it relates to labor relations, and the slash and burn mentality in terms of management. The days of top dollar pay for low-skill, low-education work will be harder to find contrary to the New Directions Team's promises during future contract negotiations. No one in this forum would explain the formal training and qualifications of those running under the New Direction's banner to be in leadership positions, except they mashed bags for 20 years. And finally, The Nihilist Directions Team's mentality of "shut-the-place-down-or-screw-passengers-if-we-don't-get-what-we-demand" will only lead to our own hasty demise as passengers have several alternative options when traveling. Last week alone an in-bound PHL flight with about 30 YUL bags was misloaded onto PHX had all the appearances of someone seeking retribution for the the new attendance policy... but those inconvenienced passengers do not care as to our attendance policy; however, they will remember next time they book flights, and I most assure you that privately many in the New Directions Team would support such actions.

In terms of spending money, people act as if there is some unlimited well of cash to arbitrate every action, instead of choosing their fights carefully. People who favor expensive arbitration should never complain about their increasing dues. As for this "new direction" it is much of same cronyism and favoritism, but different benefactors, and if you read the posts in this forum, you can quickly figure the pet projects and favorite sons.

So Clarifies Jester.

 

[perserverance]

''In terms of spending money, people act as if there is some unlimited well of cash to arbitrate every action, instead of choosing their fights carefully. People who favor expensive arbitration should never complain about their increasing dues. As for this "new direction" it is much of same cronyism and favoritism, but different benefactors, and if you read the posts in this forum, you can quickly figure the pet projects and favorite sons.''

''J'' I'm not gonna get into a vocabulary match with you but
your analogy of us paying $$ to argue arbitrations is not
accurate. The IAM also has lawyers on retainer to argue cases'
for them. They are on retainer for the sole purpose of case
issues. That is supposedly what our ''dues'' should have
always been contributing to. You can dispell as many $13
words you want but thats' the truth.
I won't go further with this because apparently alot
of people on this site like to dazzle people with b$LL.

 

[orioleman]

In terms of spending money, people act as if there is some unlimited well of cash to arbitrate every action, instead of choosing their fights carefully. People who favor expensive arbitration should never complain about their increasing dues. As for this "new direction" it is much of same cronyism and favoritism, but different benefactors, and if you read the posts in this forum, you can quickly figure the pet projects and favorite sons.

So Clarifies Jester.

?? For you jester. what's your insurance premiums worth to yea.. remember now its for 4 more years. Think we should not

waste our money on that grievance. I realize you have no and I repeat no interest in being more than just a member of the union

but I hate to burst your over flatted head by saying you really don't know the facts and issues at hand when it is decided what goes to the arbitrator and

what doesn't. Just because the old regime had ZERO arbitration's in the last 6 years other than the CIC (which they were forced to by the membership)

and terminations doesn't mean there weren't many valid grievance's that should have moved on up but RC didn't want to rock his apple cart so he

would shut it . What's nice about the ND08 team is they have the ability to think and react independently of Rich Delaney. they aren't puppets on a string

as far as there education I know 3 of them personally and would say they are more then qualified. actually one may even be over qualified

 

[charlie Brown]

Valid questions... fair enough.

Once again, I am not part of management was never part of management and have absolutely no desire to be part of US Airways management. Furthermore, I was not part of Boss Canale's cronies, nor could I identify any of them and point of fact, I have been rather critical of prior so-called IAM "leadership" in this forum.

My problem so far with the "New Directions Team" would be their unrealistic expectations, lack of meaningful experience as it relates to labor relations, and the slash and burn mentality in terms of management. The days of top dollar pay for low-skill, low-education work will be harder to find contrary to the New Directions Team's promises during future contract negotiations. No one in this forum would explain the formal training and qualifications of those running under the New Direction's banner to be in leadership positions, except they mashed bags for 20 years. And finally, The Nihilist Directions Team's mentality of "shut-the-place-down-or-screw-passengers-if-we-don't-get-what-we-demand" will only lead to our own hasty demise as passengers have several alternative options when traveling. Last week alone an in-bound PHL flight with about 30 YUL bags was misloaded onto PHX had all the appearances of someone seeking retribution for the the new attendance policy... but those inconvenienced passengers do not care as to our attendance policy; however, they will remember next time they book flights, and I most assure you that privately many in the New Directions Team would support such actions.

In terms of spending money, people act as if there is some unlimited well of cash to arbitrate every action, instead of choosing their fights carefully. People who favor expensive arbitration should never complain about their increasing dues. As for this "new direction" it is much of same cronyism and favoritism, but different benefactors, and if you read the posts in this forum, you can quickly figure the pet projects and favorite sons.

So Clarifies Jester.

Jester, You make some valid points, but do you really think this mngmt team really gives a crap about the flying public? Until we get people that do in place, it dosent matter how much the employess care, believe me Ive seen it erode over the years. And you also have to realize that this Union, as far as the company is concerned has no bite to it, and thats thanks to the people we just voted out. So I think that the ND team is going to have to spend some money up front, to show this company that we are growing some teeth and we will have some bite. I look at it as money well spent up front, it may pay off in the long run. And if it dosent, how are you any worse off as a Union than what we have just came through?

 

[goodfellow]

Valid questions... fair enough.

Once again, I am not part of management was never part of management and have absolutely no desire to be part of US Airways management. Furthermore, I was not part of Boss Canale's cronies, nor could I identify any of them and point of fact, I have been rather critical of prior so-called IAM "leadership" in this forum.

>>Your own admission, you don't know the old regime? So how do you think you know the new regime???


ow-eMy problem so far with the "New Directions Team" would be their unrealistic expectations, lack of meaningful experience as it relates to labor relations, and the slash and burn mentality in terms of management.


>>>If you don't know them, then HOW do you know what think or do?

The days of top dollar pay for low-skill, lducation work will be harder to find contrary to the New Directions Team's promises during future contract negotiations.

>>>I would think that Southwest makes top dollar at 24/hour, and UA at 22/hour would make it easier for future pay increase for US Fleet?



No one in this forum would explain the formal training and qualifications of those running under the New Direction's banner to be in leadership positions, except they mashed bags for 20 years.

>>>Not that the Messenger is my personal favorite, read it and see some of their qualifications.

And finally, The Nihilist Directions Team's mentality of "shut-the-place-down-or-screw-passengers-if-we-don't-get-what-we-demand" will only lead to our own hasty demise as passengers have several alternative options when traveling. Last week alone an in-bound PHL flight with about 30 YUL bags was misloaded onto PHX had all the appearances of someone seeking retribution for the the new attendance policy... but those inconvenienced passengers do not care as to our attendance policy; however, they will remember next time they book flights, and I most assure you that privately many in the New Directions Team would support such actions.


>>>Once again you do not know them or their game plan?



In terms of spending money, people act as if there is some unlimited well of cash to arbitrate every action, instead of choosing their fights carefully. People who favor expensive arbitration should never complain about their increasing dues. As for this "new direction" it is much of same cronyism and favoritism, but different benefactors, and if you read the posts in this forum, you can quickly figure the pet projects and favorite sons.

So Clarifies Jester.

I feel that money spent on the membership is long overdue!!! Your nothing more than FREEDUMB with a dictionary! so says GF :down:

 

[The Bagfather]

I feel that money spent on the membership is long overdue!!! Your nothing more than FREEDUMB with a dictionary! so says GF :down:

Alas the sad truth is revealed.

 

[REACC1]

i know this is going to sound "crazy " but we actually have people working here who will not "lie " , that's right , honest ethical people ... i'm not joking , i agree with you about the lying , but AWA did a very good job hiring upright individuals ...

Apparently these are not the same people that are writing the policy.

 

[freedom]

Apparently these are not the same people that are writing the policy.

i'm sorry , i should have qualified that, i meant "the workers "

 

[tadjr]

As part of this new policy, we were told that all stations were to have time clocks installed by Dec. 1st. Has anyone heard of any stations that still dont have time clocks up and running?
Does anyone else have a problem with no way to verify that the computers "accepted" actually means that its logged in as accepted. We all know Workbrain is not accurate 100 percent of the time. I think that if the company is going to be able to use Workbrain as a tool for discipline when you clock in late or no clock, then they ought to have a receipt printed for us to keep showing we actually clocked in/out and what time. Now all we have to go on is what it shows in the company computer and I have had several experiences with Workbrain that make me not trust everything it says happens. Can we get the union to at least make the company provide paper receipts for the agents (like a real punch stamp time clock would) so we have proof that we actually did what we were supposed to and the machine didnt just get whacked again? :blink:

 

[Jester]

As part of this new policy, we were told that all stations were to have time clocks installed by Dec. 1st. Has anyone heard of any stations that still dont have time clocks up and running?
Does anyone else have a problem with no way to verify that the computers "accepted" actually means that its logged in as accepted. We all know Workbrain is not accurate 100 percent of the time. I think that if the company is going to be able to use Workbrain as a tool for discipline when you clock in late or no clock, then they ought to have a receipt printed for us to keep showing we actually clocked in/out and what time. Now all we have to go on is what it shows in the company computer and I have had several experiences with Workbrain that make me not trust everything it says happens. Can we get the union to at least make the company provide paper receipts for the agents (like a real punch stamp time clock would) so we have proof that we actually did what we were supposed to and the machine didnt just get whacked again? :blink:

Why don't we just demand someone to stand by all the clocks 24/7 so they can just issue receipts? And while we are at it, how about demanding some daiquiri machines along with the paper umbellas spiked into chucks of fresh pineapple? On the other hand, every employee could just review their own Workbrain account and bring it to management's attention if there is ever an issue?

Personally, I have never had a problem with Workbrain in terms of keeping track of hours, and I could only imagine the scraps of paper that would litter the ramp and break room for every clock-in and clock-out receipt. As for a punch clock with a paper card that is not going to happen either as it would require a few extra people everyday in the larger stations to enter data instead of using a computer system recording in real time. Maybe a better option would be to have a camera over the clocks recording time and employees arrival on a hard drive to be retrievable up to a few weeks later as the times in question would be very narrow time frame and thus, easy to review. Such a video recording system could be picked-up at Sam's Club for a few hundred bucks.

So Recommends Jester.

 

[libertybell]

Why don't we just demand someone to stand by all the clocks 24/7 so they can just issue receipts? And while we are at it, how about demanding some daiquiri machines along with the paper umbellas spiked into chucks of fresh pineapple? On the other hand, every employee could just review their own Workbrain account and bring it to management's attention if there is ever an issue?

Personally, I have never had a problem with Workbrain in terms of keeping track of hours, and I could only imagine the scraps of paper that would litter the ramp and break room for every clock-in and clock-out receipt. As for a punch clock with a paper card that is not going to happen either as it would require a few extra people everyday in the larger stations to enter data instead of using a computer system recording in real time. Maybe a better option would be to have a camera over the clocks recording time and employees arrival on a hard drive to be retrievable up to a few weeks later as the times in question would be very narrow time frame and thus, easy to review. Such a video recording system could be picked-up at Sam's Club for a few hundred bucks.

So Recommends Jester.

Guess you never noticed the Cameras over the time clocks? They stick out like a sore thumb.

 

[tadjr]

Why don't we just demand someone to stand by all the clocks 24/7 so they can just issue receipts? On the other hand, every employee could just review their own Workbrain account and bring it to management's attention if there is ever an issue?

Works for me, maybe the admin clerk or the manager themselves? I have no problems with clocking in, but if that is the only thing they are using to record something that could come back to bite you, and you have no way to verify, you better hope that your manager understands that the machine isnt always right (good luck on that one.) What about the machine that took a lightning hit and they werent aware of it until a lot of people starting no clocking? If they dont want to give out receipts, then how about a paper log attached to the machine that keeps track of the day that you could see and verify that the machine is working. Of course you can always go into your Workbrain account to verify if you've logged in/out, however I had a manager tell an agent the other day when it had been 20 mins and they still werent showing as clocked in, that it sometimes takes hours to register. Thats real comforting isnt it? And when there is an issue, dont worry, management will be bringing it to your attention. Usually a week or so later when you have no way to refute their info (right or wrong). Thats one point for you.

 

[Jester]

Guess you never noticed the Cameras over the time clocks? They stick out like a sore thumb.

Actually, as I am unsure as to Tadjr's location, I have heard there are many Workbrain stations with no cameras anywhere nearby. If his station has a camera system recording, then he should demand proof if there is in fact an issue with Workbrain not documenting properly. If there is not a camera, then a recording system with a decent camera would end debate to an agent's arrival as the recordings would be available for three weeks or longer on the recorder's hard drive. Just be sure to check your account every few days or so.

As for acts of God as in lightning strikes, I'll take my chances of that becoming much of an issue, especially as it effects everyone else in the station.

So Clarifies Jester.