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John john, this is in regards to security related items, not carry-on bags. Since the carry-on size is signed off by the FAA they can imposed a fine to the agent working the flight, just like the TSA can for an agent not checking to see if the 4 S's are stamped with the stamp of that time.

An FAA inspector recently got an CLT express agent fired over her allowing a guy to have more than three carry-ons.
I know why the brief was prepared imposing government fines on agents
Monetary fines cannot lawfully be "passed-through" by the airline to employees because that would constitute an attempted delegation of a non-delegable duty.
 
An FAA inspector recently got an CLT express agent fired over her allowing a guy to have more than three carry-ons.
CWA's collective bargaining agreement with US Airways imposes a "just cause" standard for the carrier's imposition of discipline or termination
 
I worked a flight out of PHX on Sunday, Feb. 1st. At the gate, on the side of the boarding podium there was a measuring tape with a red line drawn across at the 22" mark for easy viewing. The 22" mark is the tallest the bag can be. The gate agent/supervisor explained to me the depth would be measured frame to frame, not from the top of the bulging pocket in the front to the bulging pocket in the back. This is how the agents were told to measure. This will definitely eliminate those huge rolling garment bags from being used as a carry on. If every station gets the measuring tapes on the boarding podiums it will be very quick and easy to see if the bag meets the size requirements or not.

I worked gates for a lot of years, both as a gate agent & a supervisor and dealt with many business travelers who were upset when we advised them their bag needed to be checked because it didn't fit in the sizing box. We always apologized for their inconvenience....while we were tagging their bag. We always made them leave the bag at the gate and WE took them down the jetway. This way they couldn't tear the tag off on their way down to the a/c. And we always made everyone with a rollerboard put their bag in the sizer so we couldn't be accused of picking and choosing our "victims". Did we get written up? From time to time of course we did. The letters never said we were rude, or mean or anything like that, just that we made them put their bag in the sizing box and when it didn't fit we made them check it. My response to the letters....I would simply write "I did my job". I never heard anything more.
 
Rumor has it
New Bag Policy enforcement, yet unknown to the gate agents who were trying to follow the Policy was given a hard time by a first class passenger, Yet this pass is Scott Kirby President.
Gate agent tried to check the bag, even tag it but he took it on the aircraft, with the tags so that other First Class passengers can see. I was told he got on the phone with someone.
But really if your the President and lead by example....
And here lies one of the very main reasons this airline is so broken. It all comes from the top down.
 
Piney you do have an answer for everything...

The UA thing is when they had it installed on the x-ray machine at the security checkpoint, not at the gate or ticket counter.

And, it wasn't at IAD, it was at DIA (Denver). And, it was not passengers who filed suit over the sizers on the x-ray machines, it was Continental Airlines. They had a big presence at DIA then, and they were the first airline to install oversized o/h bins (the ones that are pretty much standard now that are deeper and can hold a rollerboard wheels first rather than sideways). Their argument was that the sizer was discriminatory against their passengers because CO had bigger bins than UA.
 
Here's an idea...what if each airline had a representative OUTSIDE security who had no job other than to be on the lookout for oversized bags and checking them if they are. The bags should never be allowed through security, but we can not expect the TSA to enforce the rules created by the airlines. It has to be an airline employee stopping them.

Let's face it. Someone from each airline is going to get grief if people are required to check bags that should be checked. Why not let the "I want your name" fit be thrown outside security and if it gets bad enough, just deny them passage while they are still on the taxicab side of the x-ray machine?

(Wait. Does that idea make sense? If it does, I know it will never fly at AA. I don't know about other airlines.) :lol:
 
Here's an idea...what if each airline had a representative OUTSIDE security who had no job other than to be on the lookout for oversized bags and checking them if they are. The bags should never be allowed through security, but we can not expect the TSA to enforce the rules created by the airlines. It has to be an airline employee stopping them.

Let's face it. Someone from each airline is going to get grief if people are required to check bags that should be checked. Why not let the "I want your name" fit be thrown outside security and if it gets bad enough, just deny them passage while they are still on the taxicab side of the x-ray machine?

Actually it IS an FAA reg. that the airline must adhere to. Airlines set the actual number (which is historically 1+, but it is based on this FAR.

§ 121.589 Carry-on baggage.
(a) No certificate holder may allow the boarding of carry-on baggage on an airplane unless each passenger's baggage has been scanned to control the size and amount carried on board in accordance with an approved carry-on baggage program in its operations specifications. In addition, no passenger may board an airplane if his/her carry-on baggage exceeds the baggage allowance prescribed in the carry-on baggage program in the certificate holder's operations specifications

So FAA/TSA are the government entities overseeing operations at airlines. Therefore, TSA "should" monitor the bags getting screened. There ARE signs at the checkpoints.
 
Yeah, well after 5,000 years of fighting among those Semitic first cousins, there should be peace in the Middle East, but there isn't. All the FAR says is that if the airline promulgates a carryon bag rule, the airline must enforce it, and can be fined if they don't.

As a matter of fact, the TSA quite clearly stated that they are NOT responsible for enforcing rules set by the airlines or the FAA. Their charter from Congress does not give them carryon bag rule enforcement capability. They are strictly limited to "security" issues. Also, keep in mind that though they are both U.S. Government agencies, they are not in the same Department--TSA in Homeland Security; FAA in Transportation. Turf wars are common among Cabinet departments, and cooperation between those departments is not the first rule of the day.

Whether you or I think that they should enforce the rule or that carryon bags are a security issue, the TSA does not.
 
Won't it be interesting for the business traveler who has a rolling suitcase AND a rolling "computer" bag that is almost the same size as their suitcase. Throw a garment bag in and you have a fun flight from PHL to ORD or BOS. Those flights have a HUGE amount of business travelers with lots of bags. Lots of bags meaning many carry on and don't check. I remember being a passenger one day on a 757 that had 118 passengers and the f/a's were checking bags. They were just amazed that they were checking bags at the door for such a light load. Again, size the bags and be done with it. :up:
 
I guess Size really does matter

So does correct grammar.

And I quote from the US Airways website -

"If you're traveling to or from Canada, the size limitation (45 inches) for carry-on baggage will took effect on February 1, 2009, but the weight limitation (40 pounds) for carry-on baggage will not take effect until February 21, 2009."

Which kind of makes you wonder, if this in English; what do the foreign language US Airways sites say.
 
This whole check a bunch of bags a the gate thing reminds me of the airline that American West was model after PeoplExpress
 

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