New Rampers Pay?

[RedOne]

Just a rumor but last I was told was that the IAM offer on the table was
15 per hour... only 7 main line stations …(the ones with time clocks)
Contract out the others.
and no buy out......

[post="227660"][/post]​

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Are their enough agents in these 7 cities to carry the F/S vote? I can't see anyone in the other cities voting on anything that makes their city "mainline express" or contracted out. I know I'm not in one of those 7 cities and if that is what is presented...my vote is NO. I CAN see the agents in those 7 cities selling everybody else down the drain. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[PITbull]

1. Subtracting $20 a week for gas is improper. You might as well subtract their grocery bills for lunch at work. Gas to/from work is an expense, but does not come out of your paycheck.

2. I doubt that a ramper making that little would have 25% of his/her income taken out for taxes, but I could be worng.

3. Its a part time job, what do you expect? If they worked full time they would make $1,147.20 before taxes which is what many express flight attendants would call a good month.

Sucks yes, but instead of loading an aircraft they could be asking if you would like to biggie size it.

Skeezer

[post="227611"][/post]​

I'm sorry. I don't understand your post. If gas doesn't come out of ones income...where does one get gas money?????
I guess in your view, having a car in this business is a luxury not deserving of ramp agents.

Perhaps they should just "thumb" a ride. Huh? :down: Save the money.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Subtract about $5.00 for the uniform and about another $30 for medical, dental, etc.

[post="227607"][/post]​

I thought part-timers were ineligible for medical and dental benefits.

 

[skeezer]

If gas doesn't come out of ones income...where does one get gas money?????
I guess in your view, having a car in this business is a luxury not deserving of ramp agents.

Uh, no.

The point I was trying to get across was that gas money does not come deducted from your paycheck. It is simply an expense you incur (sp?) throughout the month. Using your logic I should subtract my mortgage (because I have to live near my base), my car payments and gas (gotta get to work), all my grocery bills (gotta be alive), electric and water bills (need to iron clothes and take a bath), etc. So according to you I only make about $200 a month flying my replacement jet. How can this be?!?!

Faulty logic. Take home pay is one thing, your income minus expenses is a whole 'nother ball game.

Skeezer

 

[CS AGENT]

Uh, no.

The point I was trying to get across was that gas money does not come deducted from your paycheck. It is simply an expense you incur (sp?) throughout the month. Using your logic I should subtract my mortgage (because I have to live near my base), my car payments and gas (gotta get to work), all my grocery bills (gotta be alive), electric and water bills (need to iron clothes and take a bath), etc. So according to you I only make about $200 a month flying my replacement jet. How can this be?!?!

Faulty logic. Take home pay is one thing, your income minus expenses is a whole 'nother ball game.

Skeezer

[post="228444"][/post]​

I think the point is made quite well, All cost considered, a new ramper making 7.17 per hour will go in the hole each month.
Simple...Not enough money to live on, Why work here!

 

[AP Tech]

Just received a clipping from the Miami Herald advertising for Fleet Service Agents and Customer Assistance Reps in FLL and possibly Mia. Starting wage is $7.17 and $6.82 respectively. The header is "Fly Free, Your Career, Your Life, Go Places" Now that is funny!!!!! Will any of the current agents get a chance to transfer to those cities or does the company just plan to use all new hires?

 

[N628AU]

I'll give you examples of who would do this job for $7.17 plus flight benefits:

(1) College students looking for extra spending cash, and the chance to fly somewhere or get home to see family occasionally.

(2) People who have a full-time spouse that may be looking to do something with their free time, and would like to have ability to travel.

(3) Retirees.

Hate to tell you, but that is who the company wants to hire. There is an endless supply of these people to choose from. The Express concourse in CLT has done it for years, and despite what anyone says, there were people who have stayed for years working there.

I also hate to inform everyone, that this kind of job will no longer be one to pay the bills and support an enitre family from, but that is just what is happening.

 

[Thomas Paine]

This certainly won't help in terms of keeping the salaries of airline employees rational. If the bar falls again at US it's not good for the other airline employees. In terms of size US is only slightly larger than TWA was. In my opinion, the airline that will have the biggest effect on the AA employees as well as the employees of DL, NW, etc will be UA because of its size (number 2 behind AA). If UA gets what it wants (similar to US) then DL, being mostly non-union, can quickly follow suit. This will put tremendous competitve pressure on AA and NW. When it's all over, all employees at the "legacy 6" will be working for 50% less salary and benefits, loss of work rules, vacations, and all holidays in addition to having no pension or retiree medical. The race to the bottom is in full swing.

[post="227622"][/post]​

TWU/AA already won that race. What is the starting pay for a "Junior Fleet Service clerk"?

By the way what exactly is a Junior Fleet service clerk? Do they only handle small bags or are they restricted from operating machinery or something like that? How is the lower pay justified?

 

[Thomas Paine]

1. Subtracting $20 a week for gas is improper. You might as well subtract their grocery bills for lunch at work. Gas to/from work is an expense, but does not come out of your paycheck.

2. I doubt that a ramper making that little would have 25% of his/her income taken out for taxes, but I could be worng.

3. Its a part time job, what do you expect? If they worked full time they would make $1,147.20 before taxes which is what many express flight attendants would call a good month.

Sucks yes, but instead of loading an aircraft they could be asking if you would like to biggie size it.

Skeezer

[post="227611"][/post]​

Why is it improper? We are not talking about a tax return here and transportation to and from work is certainly a necissity, along with food(fuel).

Unlike the neighborhood McDonalds most people can not walk to their worksite if the work at an airport.

By the way have you ever loaded an aircraft? Its demanding, heavy work thats done in all sorts of weather.

 

[Thomas Paine]

I'll give you examples of who would do this job for $7.17 plus flight benefits:

(1) College students looking for extra spending cash, and the chance to fly somewhere or get home to see family occasionally.

(2) People who have a full-time spouse that may be looking to do something with their free time, and would like to have ability to travel.

(3) Retirees.

Hate to tell you, but that is who the company wants to hire. There is an endless supply of these people to choose from. The Express concourse in CLT has done it for years, and despite what anyone says, there were people who have stayed for years working there.

I also hate to inform everyone, that this kind of job will no longer be one to pay the bills and support an enitre family from, but that is just what is happening.

[post="228618"][/post]​

Well at least since they buy the uniforms they get to keep them when they quit.

I can see it now on E-bay.

USAir Uniforms for sale. Extra shipping charges to Iraq, Saudia Arabia, UAE, Egypt, Jordan etc.

I'll bet they can make more selling those uniforms than working!!

There is an "endless supply of those people"? Oh yea, then why is your boy Bush saying that we need to let in immigrants to do "those types of jobs"?

What are the airlines going to do when school starts? Shut down like the town pool and the beach does for the winter?

I'm sure all those retirees will just love climbing around and loading those bags in the 757. Same with Mom.

Another thing, if we look at all those RJ outfits out there paying $30,000 or less a year for pilots what makes you think that those same guys couldnt fly your airplane for the same money? Oh, but I suppose that USAIR wants to pay the pilots what they are paying them. Doesnt seem to be a shortage of pilots is there?

 

[700UW]

It is against the law to sell Airline Uniforms to non-airline employees.

 

[Thomas Paine]

It is against the law to sell Airline Uniforms to non-airline employees.

[post="228627"][/post]​

Oh yea, and when the college exchange student, who was working for USAIR part time returns to Jordan, or the UAE, Saudia Arabia etc who is going to stop him from selling his uniforms back there? Maybe he could just donate the uniform for auction at one of those terrorist fundraisers?

 

[Thomas Paine]

I thought part-timers were ineligible for medical and dental benefits.

[post="227981"][/post]​

They will probably do what the TWU did at AA. They will offer part timers medical, this gets more people paying dues and saves the company money, the increased medical costs are then put on the whole workforce.

At AA a lot of the part timers were self employed and simply got the Medical and then gave away all their hours to other workers.

 

[skeezer]

Why is it improper? We are not talking about a tax return here and transportation to and from work is certainly a necissity, along with food(fuel).

Unlike the neighborhood McDonalds most people can not walk to their worksite if the work at an airport.

[post="228623"][/post]​

Please read my post from last night. By that logic you can subtract all your expense including recreation (stress relief) from your pay, which means I earn about $200 a month which is incorrect. If you can't afford the gas take the bus, carpool, or get another job paying the same that is closer to home.

I never said the pay was good, but was pointing out faulty logic which was used to make the numbers sound a lot worse.

By the way have you ever loaded an aircraft? Its demanding, heavy work thats done in all sorts of weather.

Yes, I have loaded up a C-172 to the gills before and it was a rainy day so I know what it is like to be a ramper.....

Ok, so I have never done the work of a real ramper before but I have never said that it was easy. If I had a choice between working at McDonald's for $7.17 and hour or working the ramp for the same pay I would work the ramp. But that is just me.

Peace,

Skeezer

 

[RedOne]

If all one is doing is loading bags for low wages that's one thing. In most of the small stations, a so called "ramper" must do a 'little' more than load bags.
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I was gonna say more, but what the heck. Just lay me off. It's a dead end job. I wouldn't recommend this job (company) to anyone.