NMB Ingores APFA
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Kev3188
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Oh goodie, a birther. Fun, fun.
Actually, it has been proved. Repeatedly. Work it out.
Take the tin foil hat off; a dose of reality will do you good.
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I agree with you! And the NMB offices are in Washington DC.
Don't expect many flight attendants to show up to picket
on the 20. The majority have more important things to do.
Wether its getting theirs hair or nails done. I have not heard
Of one saying they are going to picket on the 20. On the
contrary I've heard quite a few say the opposite.
on the 20. The majority have more important things to do.
Wether its getting theirs hair or nails done. I have not heard
Of one saying they are going to picket on the 20. On the
contrary I've heard quite a few say the opposite.
I have to disagree.... I hear more and more F/As are going to picket. I'm thinking its going to be one of those events where very little is talked about prior to the actual event and then the outcome will be overwhelming positive. We shall see.....
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Regardless of how many people show up on the 20th, it will not represent the resolve the flight attendants have to obtain a contract. That is one reason I think this picketing is not a good idea because if we get a poor showing it might make us appear weak. We are NOT a weak union. Just a union fighting the anti-union headwinds blowing across the landscape.
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Jersey -
Ok this is from the sidelines I know, but it takes more than resolve to get a contract. It takes TWO parties who are ready, willing and able to negotiate. I can see American's proposals on AANegotiations.com. All I see from APFA is Youtube videos, Facebook posts and goofy campaigns. I don't doubt your resolve. But I do question your unions readiness, willingness and ability.
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What you see on AANegotiations is the company spin. You will not see any specifics from the APFA because when you do provide a specific outline then you create false expectations to the membership. You always start high in negotiations, whether it be selling a house or signing a multi million dollar contract. If the APFA told the membership that we are asking for 15% raise then you would actually have people that get that figure in their head and if we get a 11% raise then they think that we are not getting what we deserve. That is human nature whether it be flight attendants, or any other work group. Plus the situation is fluid. There are so many variables in our contract that have a cost factor and items are continually changed from one pocket to another. You have seen this from the AA in that they have withdrawn some concessions but then you will notice that they reduced a signing bonus or something similar.
As far as facebook and youtube goes, those are just avenues to vent frustrations. In 1993 we had info rallies that were quite effective in informing the membership of the issues. Now we have these videos which frankly are embarrassing. I don't think we come out looking good at all. There are some good points being made but in general the videos just come off as whiny.
These are tough negotiations because they are dragging out for far too long and the APFA is grasping at straws to make it seem that they are doing something when in actuality the NMB holds all the cards because in business negotiations the only power a union has is to strike and when that is taken away, which it has in this case, then you are left with ALL the unions on the property stomping their feet and waiting for things to change.
So much truth there it's not even funny.
The APFA is an inherently political organization, just like any other union. As such, they have to be very careful to manage expectations just like all other politicians - just ask Mr. Obama how important that is.
I enjoy reading your posts, learn a great deal from them, find them informative and interesting, and genuinely respect your perspective on this stuff - so don't take this the wrong way. I am not trying to antagonize you, or your union.
But frankly, I agree with you 100% on these YouTube videos. As I have been saying for months, I personally find it stunning that the APFA is actually putting videos out on the internet that not only feature a paid economist showing that AA's flight attendants are the most expensive ("this makes the company's argument," as he says), but then suggesting that this is because the company is "over-staffing" its flights relative to peers.
Regardless of whether any of what he says is true - and I have my doubts about some of it - I still cannot believe that the APFA would actually be actively putting those messages out there. If I was Laura Glading, I would have pulled those things before they ever went up online.
Again, true - but, alas, to your earlier point, Laura Glading has expectations that she had put out there for membership. She got elected on a go-fight-the-big-bad-management platform and she has yet to deliver a no-concession contract (or any contract at all for that matter). The realities of governing have differed considerably from the political pitch she made to get elected.
As such, she has to show something tangible to those that elected her to demonstrate why she got elected.
We are NOT the highest paid... SWA and CAL make more than AA F/As..... we want some of what we gave up in 2003. I guess it's ok for Senior management to take bonuses on what we gave. It's more than just wanting a raise.
I've long believed Laura Glading was out of touch with realities AMR is facing and is presenting unreasonable demands to management. AA FAs have fared so much better than their counterparts at other carriers who have had pensions terminated, work rules imposed, and have had significant capacity shifted to regional carriers.
Aparently APFA had a picket at the airports today. I can't imagine it was well received by the traveling public as the FAs seem to be talking to anyone who will listen to their grievances.
http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2011/04/flight_attendan_1.html
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Aparently APFA had a picket at the airports today. I can't imagine it was well received by the traveling public as the FAs seem to be talking to anyone who will listen to their grievances.
http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2011/04/flight_attendan_1.html
Josh
While you may not be paid the most, AA FAs are by far the most expensive. In any business the wage paid to an employee is only a component on the total cost they impose. In this case uncompetitive rules, schedule max, and fringe benefit expenses drive up the cost AA FAs impose significantly.
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