Ms Tree
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Obama against hiding behind Executive Privilege before he was for it
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southwind
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When defense #1 can't be used: Your racist, please use defense #2: It's Bush's fault !
When Denfense #2 cannot be used, refer to defense #1 !
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When trying to answer a question about a statement that the Terry family had released, Carney went on for several paragraphs about the usual talking points, but at the end, couldn't even remember Brian Terry's name... he said "the family you referred to" until a reporter called out the name....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbcsw5TPyas
That just proves they just don't get why people like me are pissed over Fast & Furious....
This isn't a witch hunt over moral issues, like oral sex in the Oval Office or a botched break-in at a rival party's campaign office.
It's all about answering for the death of an American border patrol agent, not to mention the deaths of hundreds of Mexican citizens which was facilitated by our government's incompetence.
I hope Holder remains as defiant and arrogant as the Campaigner in Chief is. They've both managed to take an issue which the MSM had pretty much ignored, and force even the most liberal of news outlets to put it on Page 1...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbcsw5TPyas
That just proves they just don't get why people like me are pissed over Fast & Furious....
This isn't a witch hunt over moral issues, like oral sex in the Oval Office or a botched break-in at a rival party's campaign office.
It's all about answering for the death of an American border patrol agent, not to mention the deaths of hundreds of Mexican citizens which was facilitated by our government's incompetence.
I hope Holder remains as defiant and arrogant as the Campaigner in Chief is. They've both managed to take an issue which the MSM had pretty much ignored, and force even the most liberal of news outlets to put it on Page 1...
delldude
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Both Obama and Holder went on record denying whether Obama was involved in FF. I'm sure there are e-mails implicting Obama knew and even nodded off on the op.
About ten minutes after Obama became president, Holder, Hillary and the Prez hisself were crowing about all the US assault weapons being bought/sold here and we needed new reg's to halt the flow of US guns into Mexico. It was an agenda from before day one and it will implicate Obama.
Remember what he told Sarah Brady?
delldude
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Key difference between Bush and Obama.....Bush had cooperation w/Mexico and didn't let guns walk when they couldn't be traced.
townpete
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Who Needs Holder’s Documents? We Have YouTube – 2009 Video
In April 2009 Barack Obama traveled to Mexico and blamed US gun sellers for violence south of the border. Obama told his Mexican audience, "This war being waged with guns purchased not here but in the United States." Just to be sure, a few months later the Obama Administration started running their own guns to Mexico, at least 2,000 guns.
Barack Obama, April 16, 2009:
Then the Obama White House refused to turn over documents on the Fast and Furious gun walking program.
In April 2009 Barack Obama traveled to Mexico and blamed US gun sellers for violence south of the border. Obama told his Mexican audience, "This war being waged with guns purchased not here but in the United States." Just to be sure, a few months later the Obama Administration started running their own guns to Mexico, at least 2,000 guns.
Barack Obama, April 16, 2009:
"This war is being waged with guns purchased not here but in the United States… more than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States, many from gun shops that lay in our shared border. So we have responsibilities as well."
There is also proof that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives discussed using "Fast and Furious" to push for new regulations on gun sales.Then the Obama White House refused to turn over documents on the Fast and Furious gun walking program.
townpete
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[background=rgb(250, 251, 252)]What if Walmart, the "largest seller of firearms and ammunition in America," had knowingly sold 2,500 firearms to straw purchasers with the intent of having those purchasers carry those guns across an international border and sell them to drug cartel members in Mexico?
And,what if at least two (but possibly three or more) of the guns were used in the murder of a U.S. Border Patrol agent while an untold number of the weapons were used to kill hundreds—literally hundreds—of Mexican citizens?
Moreover, what if one of the straw purchasers, who bought over 700 guns, was on food stamps and Walmart knew it, yet they sold him guns in exchange for bags of cash anyway?
What if some of the 2,500 hundred guns were recovered, but more than 1,000 were not, and what if an untold number of those unrecovered guns were believed to be in the hands of criminals in American cities on our Southwest border?
And lastly, what if explanations given by Walmart board members regarding the authorization of this straw-purchasing, gun-walking program were in conflict with the testimony given by their executive? And what if both they and their executive snubbed their noses at Congressional requests for documentation that would explain who knew what and when?
What would happen to Walmart if that company did these things?
We all know what would happen. Both their C.E.O. and ranking board members would be handcuffed and frog-marched out to paddy wagons in broad daylight, then transported to prison cells that would house them for the rest of their lives.
And Rep. Pelosi wouldn't even think about saying, "They are treating the C.E.O. of Walmart this way for doing his job.[/background][background=rgb(250, 251, 252)] [/background]
And,what if at least two (but possibly three or more) of the guns were used in the murder of a U.S. Border Patrol agent while an untold number of the weapons were used to kill hundreds—literally hundreds—of Mexican citizens?
Moreover, what if one of the straw purchasers, who bought over 700 guns, was on food stamps and Walmart knew it, yet they sold him guns in exchange for bags of cash anyway?
What if some of the 2,500 hundred guns were recovered, but more than 1,000 were not, and what if an untold number of those unrecovered guns were believed to be in the hands of criminals in American cities on our Southwest border?
And lastly, what if explanations given by Walmart board members regarding the authorization of this straw-purchasing, gun-walking program were in conflict with the testimony given by their executive? And what if both they and their executive snubbed their noses at Congressional requests for documentation that would explain who knew what and when?
What would happen to Walmart if that company did these things?
We all know what would happen. Both their C.E.O. and ranking board members would be handcuffed and frog-marched out to paddy wagons in broad daylight, then transported to prison cells that would house them for the rest of their lives.
And Rep. Pelosi wouldn't even think about saying, "They are treating the C.E.O. of Walmart this way for doing his job.[/background][background=rgb(250, 251, 252)] [/background]
Ms Tree
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The legal presidents seem to indicate other wise. I do not see where you are getting the idea that the EP is being used for an entire department. He is not releasing them because he feels it falls under EP. I guess the courts will have to sort that out should it get that far.
About that Bush and the MX consent thing. Not so much. The Bush DOJ did not consider looping in the MX government until several month into the program and only after they lost some guns in MX under the program. The emails disclosed by the DOJ indicate that there were discussions about looping in the MX government but it was never actually done. The documents also seem to indicate that the US attorney was briefed on the tactics of Wide Receiver but never signed off on the operations.
Given that we do not know where the weapons are that were lost during Wide Receiver, we do not know what crimes those were involved in do we?
Why Obama started up the program again when it failed the first time is beyond me. As far as I am concerned that is the definition of stupidity, doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result. To claim one is bad while trying to say the other is good (when it really is not) seems a bit hypocritical. Believe what you want. I know that both administrations screwed up.
southwind
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I just want to thank Nobama for lower gas prices !
If the job market wasn't so dismal, people would have money to go on vacation, which in turn, would create more demand for gas........hence low gas prices because of low demand !
BTW, wonder how Nobama's last vacation went !
"Michelle's ski trip marks 16 Obama vacations!"
"For example, the Hawaii Reporter said the first family’s 2011 Christmas vacation in Hawaii would exceed $1.5 million."
http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/294051
If the job market wasn't so dismal, people would have money to go on vacation, which in turn, would create more demand for gas........hence low gas prices because of low demand !
BTW, wonder how Nobama's last vacation went !
"Michelle's ski trip marks 16 Obama vacations!"
"For example, the Hawaii Reporter said the first family’s 2011 Christmas vacation in Hawaii would exceed $1.5 million."
http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/294051
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Ms Tree
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And here I thought the lower gas prices were beacusewe have more oil rigs working now than there were in 85 and S.A. has increased production. If Iraq can get some oil out of the ground the price of oil will drop even more.
You right wingers complain that gas is too expensive, now you complain when it is cheaper. You would complain if someone gave it to you free.
By thw way, since the right wingers blaimed Obama for the high prices can he take credit for lowering the prices? I know he will take credit but we all know it's a lie, then a gain so was blaming him.
You right wingers complain that gas is too expensive, now you complain when it is cheaper. You would complain if someone gave it to you free.
By thw way, since the right wingers blaimed Obama for the high prices can he take credit for lowering the prices? I know he will take credit but we all know it's a lie, then a gain so was blaming him.
muff daddy
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Oil rigs don't make gas.
EPA regs helped shut down several east coast refineries which caused the spike in price plus several elsewhere were down for maintenance. The Texas refineries have started picking up the slack and there is a small glut due to people not driving as much due to the higher cost.
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