Obama Bows to Muslim King !

[777 fixer]

QUOTE (777 fixer @ Apr 15 2009, 10:49 AM) *
Its real easy for you to say would should go and kill an entire city of people when you are the one not having to give the order or carry it out.


Agreed. There wouldn't be any shortage of volunteers You can deal with any bad dreams later, realizing that what was done was necessary. Defeating Japan and Nazi Germany required some severe nastiness. After all the horrible hostilities though...can anyone suggest other than those two previously, truly "Evil Empires" are no longer our enemies?...and are even generally friendly to the USA? Attempted appeasement of those who wish you dead, your nation and culture eradicated, and your people enslaved to some barbaric excuse for a "religion", is just flat-out insane. Nothing ever affords any permanent "fix" for this world, or human nature it's-own-self. Barring time's extreme processes, involving actual human evolution; wars and strife will be with us "always'..certainly..during the lifetimes of ourselves, our children and theirs. So...what's to do? Piney hits the nail squarely with the following observation:

We are not in a struggle against another nation state like we were in WWII. Therefore nuking another city and killing a majority of the people in it who have nothing to do with a terrorist act here is nothing more than murder.

 

[777 fixer]

QUOTE (777 fixer @ Apr 15 2009, 10:49 AM) *
Its real easy for you to say would should go and kill an entire city of people when you are the one not having to give the order or carry it out.



PineyBob: "Not really. All of those killed will never procreate and make the future generations of Jihadists."

As funda"mental-case" Islam gains in power..the one thing that's abundantly clear is that it's entirely incompatible with western "civilization". Which do you honestly wish to see endure?
Regardless of that larger issue; I've a zero tolerance belief system where attacks on America are concerned, and feel that doing anything needed to prevent such is just fine.

I'd have it be otherwise with the world and human nature...but...etc....

When you Piney Bob or dell talk about this sort of thing it's nothing more than reactionary ranting with no thought process involved. What do you think would happen in Iraq if what Piney Bob purposed were to actually happen? Or in Afghanistan or any other country in that part of the world for that matter? And what do you think would happen to the Americans living, working or serving their country over there?

 

[delldude]

All you would succeed in doing is to create armies of jihadits/terrorits.

Wake up Pal..............that's the current mantra in the ME.

Oh...how foolish of me....we are not at war with Islam and never will be.

 

[777 fixer]

What do I think would happen?

Not a blessed thing.

In 1979 the US Embassy in Pakistan was torched when a rumor got started saying that the USA had bombed the Masjid al-Haram in Mecca. What do you think would happen if the Mecca were nuked? Considering the US Embassy was torched over an unsubstantiated rumor I would say a whole lot more than nothing. How about Bahrain kicking out the US Navy? How about Kuwait throwing out the US military presence there.

How about Iraq exploding into all out warfare. Instead this time the Sunnis and Shia are not fighting each other, they are taking their anger out on US servicemen. Servicemen that would have to fight their way out of Iraq. Only problem is they have no place to go. They are in a Muslim country surrounded by other Muslim countries. But what do you care.

 

[777 fixer]

Wake up Pal..............that's the current mantra in the ME.

Oh...how foolish of me....we are not at war with Islam and never will be.

Tell you what dell, you nuke Mecca and you play right into Al Queda's hand. Their whole argument is that the US is at war with Islam. Most Muslims it would seem have not bought into that argument. However that would change very quickly if what you think seems to be a great idea were ever to occur.

 

[EastUS]

We are not in a struggle against another nation state like we were in WWII. Therefore nuking another city and killing a majority of the people in it who have nothing to do with a terrorist act here is nothing more than murder.

What's your possible point here? Wait ...Ah!...I see it more clearly now! = Incinerating and/or just plain obliterating literally millions of people is "OK" (as in WWII)...as long as they're part of a "nation state"?..with the wrong passports..and that some piece of paper/Declaration exists that supports their then-"legal" slaughter?...but; completely wrong if they're not? Got some news for ya' pal = War, whether supported by the proper paperwork or not....has always been nothing more than organized murder. It should NEVER be engaged in, imho, unless the safety of one's own nation and people is at issue. At which point..I couldn't care less about the paperwork involved.

 

[EastUS]

Tell you what dell, you nuke Mecca and you play right into Al Queda's hand.

Their whole argument is that the US is at war with Islam. Most Muslims it would seem have not bought into that argument.

1) I'd think quite the opposite. It's a true pity we can't test the theory.
2) That's entirely incorrect. Their "whole argument" is that the eventual world domination under Islam, and ONLY Islam, is the chosen path of Allah. The business of currently propogandizing against the US and/or Israel, merely affords the most simpleminded followers easy focal points.,,for now....

Well..it's all really moot at the present time. We had an utterly corrupt and inept administration before..and now? = We've got an even more utterly corrupt, even more inept, little pack of wholesale butt kissers and appeasers in the oval orofice. We've just seen the inital bowing. From the brotherly handshake with Chavez also factored in....and such absurd kissing up to mexico's current clown lately; I can only assume a set of kneepads will be brought along on all future "Apologies for America" international whistle stops.

 

[EastUS]

What do I think would happen?

Not a blessed thing. The thugs that run nearly every middle eastern country are nothing more than later day Banana Republic dictators with a great deal of oil money to pay for their protection. Osama Bin Laden and his "followers" IMO are nothing more then a Muslim version of the Mafia in that they extort money from oil rich Islamic states to fund International terrorism for the sole purpose to enable them to extort more money while spreading fear and panic in the Western World.

You get one of those tin horn dictators running his mouth on a Monday and his largest city is rubble on Tuesday and watch the funding for terrorism dry up in half a New York minute.

Even Imperial Japan, a country with far more guts and fervor finally came to the conclusion that it would be in their best interests to surrender after two cities were leveled. The Japanese had more ballz asleep then the entire Arabic/Islamic world has awake.

Look what happened in Afghanistan. The big bad rough and tough Taliban ran like little girls from a very small contingent of Army Rangers. Now that they see our resolve weaken they came out of the woodwork and are still generally getting their arse handed to them in combat.

Well said on all counts

"and are still generally getting their arse handed to them in combat."

For all the tough talking and stab-in-the-back acts of treacherous terrorism..the truth's that these people are pathetic "jokes" on the battlefield..as we clearly proved in just '91 alone, not to mention all subsequent engagements. Brainwashing helpless children into eventually blowing themselves up does not an army make....

 

[EastUS]

How about Iraq exploding into all out warfare. Instead this time the Sunnis and Shia are not fighting each other, they are taking their anger out on US servicemen. Servicemen that would have to fight their way out of Iraq. Only problem is they have no place to go. They are in a Muslim country surrounded by other Muslim countries. But what do you care.

That's a buncha' crap. The actual truth is that, should the American people ever will it so; our forces could completely conquer and subjugate the entire middle east on a predictable timetable, and without the usage of nukes. Given that said Will doesn't exist, and we're saddled with some of the best Senator-Suckabucks and Congress-Can-I-Have-Some-Mores that oil money can buy...that won't happen. Asuming some national cohesion and guts, well.. trust me on at least this = Should American forces ever find themselves having to "fight their way out of Iraq"..it wouldn't go well for the Iraqis...at ALL. On the other hand; Should they be continually employed as a "police presence"...with severe restrictions in the rules of engagement..as now, well..we'll continue to suffer losses...without equivalent gains.

 

[EastUS]

We've just seen the inital bowing. From the brotherly handshake with Chavez also factored in....and such absurd kissing up to mexico's current clown lately; I can only assume a set of kneepads will be brought along on all future "Apologies for America" international whistle stops.

PS: I wonder if the kneepads, doubtless with proper Presidential Seal embossed, will be paid for as part of the "stimulus" program? 😉

 

[delldude]

Tell you what dell, you nuke Mecca and you play right into Al Queda's hand. Their whole argument is that the US is at war with Islam. Most Muslims it would seem have not bought into that argument. However that would change very quickly if what you think seems to be a great idea were ever to occur.

Who said anything about nuking Mecca?

As a matter of fact our first new world nuclear excursion will most likely involve Israel and one of its fine neighbors.

And by the way.........its all about war with Islam.........no matter what Barry says.

Most 'educated' Muslims haven't bought into the argument, thats why the clerics preach to the illiterate.

So we are at war with illiterate Islam.

Nuclear weapons- The ultimate flash bang

A little nukey never hurt no one....

 

[tech2101]

So we are at war with illiterate Islam.

That is an interesting statement dude.

I would not say we are war with the illiterate. We are countering the few who try to exploit those to which you refer. Most sane and literate Islamic people do not buy into the jihad way of life and thinking as it pertains to being a good Muslim.

By the way, that describes the vast majority of Islamic people...

 

[777 fixer]

That's a buncha' crap. The actual truth is that, should the American people ever will it so; our forces could completely conquer and subjugate the entire middle east on a predictable timetable, and without the usage of nukes. Given that said Will doesn't exist, and we're saddled with some of the best Senator-Suckabucks and Congress-Can-I-Have-Some-Mores that oil money can buy...that won't happen. Asuming some national cohesion and guts, well.. trust me on at least this = Should American forces ever find themselves having to "fight their way out of Iraq"..it wouldn't go well for the Iraqis...at ALL. On the other hand; Should they be continually employed as a "police presence"...with severe restrictions in the rules of engagement..as now, well..we'll continue to suffer losses...without equivalent gains.

With what manpower? The US military is overstretched as it is just in Iraq and Afghanistan. Here is a simple fact that you seem to be unaware of. We do not have a military large enough to do what you think we can. Where do you intend to get the manpower that would be needed? Start a massive draft and recruitment drive? If so are you going to volunteer?

How do you intend to keep those forces supplied? Do you think the Egyptians would let us use the Suez Canal? Or how about our facilities in Bahrain, Qatar or Kuwait? It would appear these sort of questions never occurred to you.

 

[777 fixer]

Who said anything about nuking Mecca?

You did dell when you said Where do I sign?.

 

[777 fixer]

And by the way.........its all about war with Islam.........no matter what Barry says.

Most 'educated' Muslims haven't bought into the argument, thats why the clerics preach to the illiterate.

So we are at war with illiterate Islam.

These are two contradictory statements dell. You say we are at war with Islam, the only way to interpret that is Islam as a whole. However then you state that most educated Muslims have not bought into the argument that we are at war with Islam. So are we at war with them or not? Then you state we are at war with illiterate Islam. Who are we exactly at war with, Islam as a whole or illiterate Islam? If it’s Islam as a whole you should give GWB a call and tell him he had it all wrong the times he said we were not.