Obama Bows to Muslim King !

[delldude]

These are two contradictory statements dell. You say we are at war with Islam, the only way to interpret that is Islam as a whole. However then you state that most educated Muslims have not bought into the argument that we are at war with Islam. So are we at war with them or not? Then you state we are at war with illiterate Islam. Who are we exactly at war with, Islam as a whole or illiterate Islam? If it’s Islam as a whole you should give GWB a call and tell him he had it all wrong the times he said we were not.

Wholey illiterate Islam............

 

[777 fixer]

Wholey illiterate Islam............

Now was that so hard?

P.S. Move.

 

[delldude]

Now was that so hard?

P.S. Move.

OTOH...............many getting caught here and abroad are professional educated Islamic followers.......so if the shoe fits.....

 

[777 fixer]

OTOH...............many getting caught here and abroad are professional educated Islamic followers.......so if the shoe fits.....

Well then I guess you should call GWB and tell him he had it wrong when he was in office.

 

[delldude]

You don't follow the news?

 

[777 fixer]

By that I meant when he said we are not a war with Islam.

 

[delldude]

Are we?

 

[EastUS]

With what manpower? The US military is overstretched as it is just in Iraq and Afghanistan. Here is a simple fact that you seem to be unaware of. We do not have a military large enough to do what you think we can. Where do you intend to get the manpower that would be needed? Start a massive draft and recruitment drive? If so are you going to volunteer?

How do you intend to keep those forces supplied? Do you think the Egyptians would let us use the Suez Canal? Or how about our facilities in Bahrain, Qatar or Kuwait? It would appear these sort of questions never occurred to you.

"If so are you going to volunteer?" Per the Sandbox? = Been there/Done that in Desert Storm..would cheerfully do so again, but am a bit antique and nowadays outta' "the business"..unless somebody gets up a "Geezer Wing" 😉 In '91, our people went through the then world's 4th largest military like they were the hopelessly ill-trained, poorly disciplined, and utterly incapable of viable teamwork "idiots" they truly were, at least on the battlefield and in the skies. Our entire force contingent came in at approx 500,000...most of which were purely support and logistics. The offensive was both against all prescribed strategic protocol numerically, and briefings indicated an expectation of very nasty losses on our side. We also had a completely arrogant jackass in then oval orrofice, who eliminated even the chance of surprise by announcing the intended beginning of hostilities. Even with all this? = The most entirely one-sided tactical victory in the history of human warfare was gained, with, very thankfully, unbelievably low losses for US forces. You completely underestimate US capability. As for any reflection on my beliefs? = Marine stepson's been two tours thus far. Next BS?

"We do not have a military large enough to do what you think we can." To serve as "police" = True. To obliterate any/all arab states' armed forces? = totally False. That'd be easy to adjust in any case..dependent upon national Will, which is currently lacking.

"Do you think the Egyptians would let us use the Suez Canal?" Yep. Recall how well it worked out for them to try otherwise in '56, or again in '73 against just Israel. As for "Or how about our facilities in Bahrain, Qatar or Kuwait?" Please..don't make me laugh...If we're discussing any actually serious military effort here. They'd roll out red carpets if the alternative wasn't "pretty".

 

[EastUS]

Well then I guess you should call GWB and tell him he had it wrong when he was in office.

Zero argument there. The sad part's that the current "Zero" is even worse....

 

[delldude]

Well then I guess you should call GWB and tell him he had it wrong when he was in office.

Maybe some time when your not splitting hairs............you can ask the people whose relatives jumped to their deaths or were immolated in the WTC 9/11 or those who lost loved ones on the USS Cole or those whose sons and daughters were killed in the Khobar Towers or the many other attacks on innocent persons if we are at war with Islam...........

Terrorist Attacks
(within the United States or against Americans abroad)


1920
Sept. 16, New York City: TNT bomb planted in unattended horse-drawn wagon exploded on Wall Street opposite House of Morgan, killing 35 people and injuring hundreds more. Bolshevist or anarchist terrorists believed responsible, but crime never solved.

1975
Jan. 24, New York City: bomb set off in historic Fraunces Tavern killed 4 and injured more than 50 people. Puerto Rican nationalist group (FALN) claimed responsibility, and police tied 13 other bombings to the group.

1979
Nov. 4, Tehran, Iran: Iranian radical students seized the U.S. embassy, taking 66 hostages. 14 were later released. The remaining 52 were freed after 444 days on the day of President Reagan's inauguration.

1982–1991
Lebanon: Thirty US and other Western hostages kidnapped in Lebanon by Hezbollah. Some were killed, some died in captivity, and some were eventually released. Terry Anderson was held for 2,454 days.

1983
April 18, Beirut, Lebanon: U.S. embassy destroyed in suicide car-bomb attack; 63 dead, including 17 Americans. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Oct. 23, Beirut, Lebanon: Shiite suicide bombers exploded truck near U.S. military barracks at Beirut airport, killing 241 marines. Minutes later a second bomb killed 58 French paratroopers in their barracks in West Beirut.
Dec. 12, Kuwait City, Kuwait: Shiite truck bombers attacked the U.S. embassy and other targets, killing 5 and injuring 80.

1984
Sept. 20, east Beirut, Lebanon: truck bomb exploded outside the U.S. embassy annex, killing 24, including 2 U.S. military.
Dec. 3, Beirut, Lebanon: Kuwait Airways Flight 221, from Kuwait to Pakistan, hijacked and diverted to Tehran. 2 Americans killed.

1985
April 12, Madrid, Spain: Bombing at restaurant frequented by U.S. soldiers, killed 18 Spaniards and injured 82.
June 14, Beirut, Lebanon: TWA Flight 847 en route from Athens to Rome hijacked to Beirut by Hezbollah terrorists and held for 17 days. A U.S. Navy diver executed.
Oct. 7, Mediterranean Sea: gunmen attack Italian cruise ship, Achille Lauro. One U.S. tourist killed. Hijacking linked to Libya.
Dec. 18, Rome, Italy, and Vienna, Austria: airports in Rome and Vienna were bombed, killing 20 people, 5 of whom were Americans. Bombing linked to Libya.

1986
April 2, Athens, Greece:A bomb exploded aboard TWA flight 840 en route from Rome to Athens, killing 4 Americans and injuring 9.
April 5, West Berlin, Germany: Libyans bombed a disco frequented by U.S. servicemen, killing 2 and injuring hundreds.

1988
Dec. 21, Lockerbie, Scotland: N.Y.-bound Pan-Am Boeing 747 exploded in flight from a terrorist bomb and crashed into Scottish village, killing all 259 aboard and 11 on the ground. Passengers included 35 Syracuse University students and many U.S. military personnel. Libya formally admitted responsibility 15 years later (Aug. 2003) and offered $2.7 billion compensation to victims' families.

1993
Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected.

1995
April 19, Oklahoma City: car bomb exploded outside federal office building, collapsing wall and floors. 168 people were killed, including 19 children and 1 person who died in rescue effort. Over 220 buildings sustained damage. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols later convicted in the antigovernment plot to avenge the Branch Davidian standoff in Waco, Tex., exactly 2 years earlier. (See Miscellaneous Disasters.)
Nov. 13, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: car bomb exploded at U.S. military headquarters, killing 5 U.S. military servicemen.

1996
June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others. 13 Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to the attack in June 2001.

1998
Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. 4 men connected with al-Qaeda 2 of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand jury had indicted 22 men in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, who remained at large.

2000
Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17 sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda terrorist network.

2001
Sept. 11, New York City, Arlington, Va., and Shanksville, Pa.: hijackers crashed 2 commercial jets into twin towers of World Trade Center; 2 more hijacked jets were crashed into the Pentagon and a field in rural Pa. Total dead and missing numbered 2,9921: 2,749 in New York City, 184 at the Pentagon, 40 in Pa., and 19 hijackers. Islamic al-Qaeda terrorist group blamed. (See September 11, 2001: Timeline of Terrorism.)

2002
June 14, Karachi, Pakistan: bomb explodes outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12. Linked to al-Qaeda.

2003 1
May 12, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: suicide bombers kill 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners. Al-Qaeda suspected.

2004
May 29–31, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists attack the offices of a Saudi oil company in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, take foreign oil workers hostage in a nearby residential compound, leaving 22 people dead including one American.
June 11–19, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists kidnap and execute Paul Johnson Jr., an American, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. 2 other Americans and BBC cameraman killed by gun attacks.
Dec. 6, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia: terrorists storm the U.S. consulate, killing 5 consulate employees. 4 terrorists were killed by Saudi security.

2005
Nov. 9, Amman, Jordan: suicide bombers hit 3 American hotels, Radisson, Grand Hyatt, and Days Inn, in Amman, Jordan, killing 57. Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility.

2006
Sept. 13, Damascus, Syria: an attack by four gunman on the American embassy is foiled.

2007
Jan. 12, Athens, Greece: the U.S. embassy is fired on by an anti-tank missile causing damage but no injuries.
Dec. 11, Algeria: more than 60 people are killed, including 11 United Nations staff members, when Al Qaeda terrorists detonate two car bombs near Algeria's Constitutional Council and the United Nations offices.
2008
May 26, Iraq: a suicide bomber on a motorcycle kills six U.S. soldiers and wounds 18 others in Tarmiya.
June 24, Iraq: a suicide bomber kills at least 20 people, including three U.S. Marines, at a meeting between sheiks and Americans in Karmah, a town west of Baghdad.
June 12, Afghanistan: four American servicemen are killed when a roadside bomb explodes near a U.S. military vehicle in Farah Province.
July 13, Afghanistan: nine U.S.soldiers and at least 15 NATO troops die when Taliban militants boldly attack an American base in Kunar Province, which borders Pakistan. It's the most deadly against U.S. troops in three years.
Aug. 18 and 19, Afghanistan: as many as 15 suicide bombers backed by about 30 militants attack a U.S. military base, Camp Salerno, in Bamiyan. Fighting between U.S. troops and members of the Taliban rages overnight. No U.S. troops are killed.
Sept. 16, Yemen: a car bomb and a rocket strike the U.S. embassy in Yemen as staff arrived to work, killing 16 people, including 4 civilians. At least 25 suspected al-Qaeda militants are arrested for the attack.
Nov. 26, India: in a series of attacks on several of Mumbai's landmarks and commercial hubs that are popular with Americans and other foreign tourists, including at least two five-star hotels, a hospital, a train station, and a cinema. About 300 people are wounded and nearly 190 people die, including at least 5 Americans.

You're right.....no war with Islam here.

Call Dubya for me........ :down:

 

[tech2101]

Maybe some time when your not splitting hairs............you can ask the people whose relatives jumped to their deaths or were immolated in the WTC 9/11 or those who lost loved ones on the USS Cole or those whose sons and daughters were killed in the Khobar Towers or the many other attacks on innocent persons if we are at war with Islam...........



You're right.....no war with Islam here.

Call Dubya for me........ :down:

Earth to Delldude:

Al-Qaeda is not Islam, and does not represent Muslims.

 

[novaqt]

Second base?

Look carefully, its a doctored photo. Check out the mustache is slightly overlapping Bush's nose ever so slightly.

 

[Seatacus]

Look carefully, its a doctored photo. Check out the mustache is slightly overlapping Bush's nose ever so slightly.

I know that, but it is way more funny to say "second base". My sense of humor is a little different I guess.

 

[dapoes]

Earth to Delldude:

Al-Qaeda is not Islam, and does not represent Muslims.

:blink: Err...thats not true at all.

Al-Qaeda's objectives include the end of foreign influence in Muslim countries and the creation of a new Islamic caliphate. Al-Qaeda evolved from the Maktab al-Khidamat, a Muslim organization founded in 1980 to raise and channel funds and recruit foreign mujahadeen for the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan. It was founded by Abdullah Yusuf Azzam, a Palestinian Islamic scholar and member of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Being "Muslim" is that you are adherent to the religion of "Islam".

 

[EastUS]

I know that, but it is way more funny to say "second base". My sense of humor is a little different I guess.

Well..Heck; I thought it was funny too. Of course I'll agree though, I had a big crush on Annette way-back-when 😉