OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[A320 Driver]

Because you're spinning and I've got all night.

As I've said before, you're not on the Nic because we don't have a contract. All the criteria haven't been met yet.

You have everything you need to put a list out and push this through yet you can't therefore you fail.

Next.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

You have NO life... good night.

Driver...

 

[Black Swan]

Said the guy that told us you don't work here.

Now go away and play in your own yard.

This thing is getting WAY interesting. Just like we all thought it would.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2xxizpHuoo

 

[Move2CLT]

Give us the link to the appeal. I think it will be a long wait.............

Now what are you going to do with a link? Lawyers use big words that you wouldn't know.

 

[cleardirect]

Who gives a damn what you think of it. It was worth pursuing. And close to 45k a year every year is the worst case scenario. Yours? You didn't even have a DC till the East helped you get one. Then you returned the favor with parity. That is some, INTEGRITY.

With each post you show your ignorance.

Yes the west did have a DC before the boat anchor of an airline Us Airways came around.

Close to $45,000 is the max. Better read the fine print. Not everyone get the max. Not everyone on the east even gets PBGC money. Now answer something for me. If you guys were already getting the max why spend $4 million so you can't increase the max because it is set by law? Sounds like a waste of money to me.

Maximum Monthly Guarantee Tables


Examples of the maximum guarantee are shown in the tables below. Each table applies to a given calendar year. The maximum guarantee is set by law and it is updated each calendar year. The maximum guarantee applicable to a plan is fixed as of that plan's termination date except where termination occurs during a plan sponsor's bankruptcy and the sponsor entered bankruptcy on or after September 16, 2006, in which case the maximum guarantee is fixed as of the date the sponsor entered bankruptcy.

Your maximum guaranteed amount is based, in part, on your age on the plan termination date (or the date the sponsor entered bankruptcy, if applicable) or, if you were not in pay status on that date, the date you begin receiving benefits from PBGC. Your maximum guaranteed amount also will reflect the age of your designated beneficiary if your benefit provides payments to a survivor. The age reduction does not apply for certain disabled participants (see <a href="http://www.pbgc.gov/wr/benefits/guaranteed-benefits/guarantees-for-disabled-participants.html">Guarantees for Disabled Participants). The tables show the maximum guarantee, by age, for a participant receiving a straight-life annuity (one with no survivor benefits) and for one who receives a joint and 50% survivor annuity. In calculating the joint and 50% survivor amounts, the participant and survivor were assumed to be the same age. (For more information, see the PBGC news release

As far as parity goes. usapa is in charge of negotiating for the last 4.5 years. Talk to them about why you don't have parity. Talk to your leadership about why you did not get parity when we merged? Oh that's right you were going out of business and had no leverage.

 

[cleardirect]

The real stupidity was you listening to Ferguson on the furlough. All the promises of harm and retribution. They have made you a bitter young pill. On the street with nothing but a chat room. And a CEO who is merger happy for a company with thousands of furloughed also. Pathetic.

You don't even work here why are you here?

 

[Black Swan]

Now what are you going to do with a link? Lawyers use big words that you wouldn't know.

I have to say Move, you are getting the life beaten out of you tonight. As they say, 180 turn as requested. Frequency change approved............

 

[cleardirect]

You know what clear? At least uhaul admits he is just being a tool.

As for the PIC, it was floated to and voted on by ALL US pilots. Several west pilots with real integrity asked me how to vote as they had no skin in the game. We were told that there was a chance that nothing would come from it, but it was our last chance for closure. It was a separate committee funded by east pilots.

No I didn't hear that about the investment banker but if he said that I hope we didn't hire him. There was some money already lined up by Lakefield, just not enough. The MERGER with AWA saved both companies, but not AWA by itself. AWA didn't have enough money for itself, much less to be saving any other company. The combination was enough to sell the rest of the funding and pay off YOUR ATSB loan too. On behalf of Lakefield, you're welcome.

I'm glad you at least have enough sense to see that an appeal would just be a delay tactic.

From what I understand USAPA did pass their list to the company. I thought that was the actual basis for filing the Addington.

Maybe you need to get a notepad. I did not say it was over. You asked me if I agreed with someone on that point and I said "No."

No I didn't hear that about the investment banker but if he said that I hope we didn't hire him.

So a consultant tells you the truth and you hope usapa does not hire him????? I now see why the east is in the position you are in. No Lakefield did not just have not enough money he had NO money line up. There was no money to line up. Understand that point.

Yes usapa passed a list. The same list that a jury found to be a DFR and the same list that the ninth said you needed to find another list because this one will get you sue and you will lose. But if usapa is so blind that they are going to propose the same list again. Please hurry.

My mistake it was Luv that said it was over.

 

[cleardirect]

First of all, I said Nov 2 or 3rd because I don't recall the exact date.

Secondly, I was trying to provide a little info as to where things stand. However, I have changed my mind, because, basically, it's none of your business.....and you're just trying to use it to be an ###.

So, you can just kiss this one!
breeze

So you have no evidence that a hearing is scheduled for the PBGC case. OK.

You have no accurate info so you really would be better off saying nothing. Also it is my business this union is using union resources to chase ghosts.

Before you say no union resources are being used. The GA committee is spending time and money lobbying congress on behalf of the pession committee. The BPR spends time during meeting talking about it. The union uses comm resources to put out updates when the mood rarely strikes.

You get kind of testy when you make a fool of yourself. All your talk of a$$. Have you got a thing for them or something?

 

[Beancounter]

It's been dropped there is no hope for the westies now, IT IS DOH they all know it.

Well, so much for staying off the board for a couple years. Did I make it a week?

As for the above, I'm afraid we don't know it's DOH. If anything, after reading Silver, I think DOH is pretty dead. USAPA may be free to deviate from the NIC, but it does so at it's own peril. While it's obvious that USAPA laughs at the consequences I don't think the same can be said of the company or it's lawyers. DOH and including the furloughs is a blatant roundhouse kick to west and I just don't see Parker putting the company in the legal cross hairs. Can't say I'm happy about that, because it means more and more delay for a joint contract. The movement on the west is akin to being an Alaska or Horizon pilot, there is no movement. At least they have to look forward to eventual retirements and mild growth. Any retirements out west will be offset by the fact Parker wants to pull it down and move pilots out east eventually. If you look closely at that gold that was found in Silver's court I think you'll see someone spray painted some horse poop. There's two helpings worth, one for the west (stagnation) and one for the east (LOA93).

Bean

 

[Claxon]

So you have no evidence that a hearing is scheduled for the PBGC case. OK.

You have no accurate info so you really would be better off saying nothing. Also it is my business this union is using union resources to chase ghosts.

Before you say no union resources are being used. The GA committee is spending time and money lobbying congress on behalf of the pession committee. The BPR spends time during meeting talking about it. The union uses comm resources to put out updates when the mood rarely strikes.

You get kind of testy when you make a fool of yourself. All your talk of a$$. Have you got a thing for them or something?

Your shi$$y operation was one of the ones who started the entire downfall of the industry. You had no pension, you are the bottom of the barrel. You helped take down the eastern pilots and their pension. You bear responsibility by helping the Franke Air machine and its' destruction of good airlines. Now you have reduced the rest of the industry down to your bottom dweller status. AWA Always the worst compensation, medical, no pension. You bear the blame.

 

[mrbreeze]

So you have no evidence that a hearing is scheduled for the PBGC case. OK.

You have no accurate info so you really would be better off saying nothing. Also it is my business this union is using union resources to chase ghosts.

Before you say no union resources are being used. The GA committee is spending time and money lobbying congress on behalf of the pession committee. The BPR spends time during meeting talking about it. The union uses comm resources to put out updates when the mood rarely strikes.

You get kind of testy when you make a fool of yourself. All your talk of a$$. Have you got a thing for them or something?

Like I said, you can kiss it! I have no desire to share info with you, dh.
breeze

 

[Pi brat]

With each post you show your ignorance.

Yes the west did have a DC before the boat anchor of an airline Us Airways came around.

That boat anchor has saved your job.

Did you have a DC plan or a matching 401k? Until the merger didn't you have to first contribute to your 401k and then the company matched up to 10%? And because of the merger, along with profit sharing that you didn't have, they gave you the 10% without you first contributing?

 

[Pi brat]

You don't even work here why are you here?

Sort of like Metroyet?

 

[cleardirect]

Like I said, you can kiss it! I have no desire to share info with you, dh.
breeze

What? You seemed miffed tonight. Things not going well for you? Is this site not entertaining anymore?

Are you figuring out that judge Silver's ruling did not kill the Nicolau and DOH is a fading dream? Not sure that I really need any info from you as it is usually incorrect. But not to worry I will keep you informed of the facts as they happen.

Now if you are not having a fun time here perhaps you would consider spending some time with your family and take a break from posting, you sound a bit emotional and distraught.

 

[cleardirect]

That boat anchor has saved your job.

Did you have a DC plan or a matching 401k? Until the merger didn't you have to first contribute to your 401k and then the company matched up to 10%? And because of the merger, along with profit sharing that you didn't have, they gave you the 10% without you first contributing?

That boat anchor is still a boat anchor and saved nothing.

You make a bold statement and now you back peddle. Not sure what you are talking about are you?

Figure it out yourself. Go find a copy of our contract, you can read right? Read the entire contract and come back and talk to us about the west work rules. Do yourself a favor and educate and inform yourself before making anymore foolish statements.