OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Hawkhunter]

God damn you're an idiot. I can pull numbers out of my ass like you can but that fact is your data don't mean ####.

Make sure you pull Nic4us out first boo boo.

 

[luvn737s]

You didn't answer the second, so I'm guessing that you weren't. How would you liked if AWA had gone back into Ch 11 and another company came in, took advantage of that and you were locked into your lowest point in your career, just before those ahead of you were about to retire?

Well, I asked who on the east would have been willing to renegotiate off of a DOH award in order to appear more generous to the west, had Nic handed one down. Answer- chirping crickets.

So don't look for sympathy from the west on your company's troubles. And realize that your present situation is a result of the formation of a new airline and not the continuation of your old one with AWA piggybacked on. As such, the improvements in the careers of the pilots should accrue to ALL, not just those who hold a suffiicent majority to get what they demand.

 

[Ames]

Ok, uhaul if you don't want to give me a DOH then just give me a range of west seniority numbers.

We'll just stick with giving you the Nic, the only legal list.

 

[Ames]

Thanks for asking.

"A second issue, labelled "explosive" by Gill, concerned the manner in which approximately 400 Pan Am pilots on furlough at the time of the merger were to be integrated. This large number of furloughees resulted from Pan Am's switch from smaller planes to B747s, the largest wide-bodied aircraft, and Pan Am's poor financial health in the preceding few years. Gill stated that this furlough situation created"a head-on clash over the relative equities as between large numbers of National airmen hired between 1968 and 1978 and actively employed at the time of the merger, and large numbers of these Pan Am furloughees with earlier dates of hire who still have recall rights but who brought no active jobs to the merger." (Gill Op. at 8).
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Gill's solution was to calculate the Pan Am furloughees' length of service at the time of their recall, and to slot them into the list by comparing their length of service with that of the active airmen at that time. (An exception was made for about 34 furloughed Pan Am pilots who had received notice of recall before January 19, 1980). He indicated a willingness, had the parties (or the "JANUS" group, representing the furloughees) submitted a proposal estimating the likely dates of recall of the furloughees and the likely length of service of the active pilots at those dates, to integrate the furloughees on that basis.

That's a fair idea which the west merger committee proposed to the east. It was rebuked with a solid demand for DOH. Ask your own merger committee.

 

[cleardirect]

They have, go read the USAPA NAC summary. Doug is using your Addington inspired delay. Go talk to him.

What was the companies response to usapa proposal?

So your solution to usapa's problem of moving off of a fair arbitrated integration is to stand on the same position as 4 years ago. The same position that 2 courts told you would not work. I don't think you understand what it mean to negotiate.

If you think submitting the same proposal every time works for you and that is what you are going to get. That would make this case ripe would it not?

In case you missed it. The ninth dismissed the Addington case in 2010 on ripeness. The delay is all on usapa since then. Because of your refusal to accept your agreement.

So tell usapa to talk to Parker. Submit whatever proposal you think has a LUP and let's go.

 

[Ames]

Odd. The same "our way or the highway" thinking (East DOH or nothing in 2007, West NIC or nothing 2012) still gets no results.

We ain't getting straight DOH, and the NIC is DOA. Really.

Might this be the time for all involved to consider current events and act in the best way possible to get the maximum gain?

According to what I read here, a DFR and damages seems to be a forgone conclusion. I ask why not cash in on that logic? You cannot win until you spin the wheel. Time to put up or...you know.

Greeter

Yeah, we're putting up. Nothing's changed. What's your point?

 

[cleardirect]

Well, I asked who on the east would have been willing to renegotiate off of a DOH award in order to appear more generous to the west, had Nic handed one down. Answer- chirping crickets.

So don't look for sympathy from the west on your company's troubles. And realize that your present situation is a result of the formation of a new airline and not the continuation of your old one with AWA piggybacked on. As such, the improvements in the careers of the pilots should accrue to ALL, not just those who hold a suffiicent majority to get what they demand.

How about this. The east and west ALPA guys get together and work it out. Afterall it was alpa merger policy. Would you east guys be willing to agree to whatever your ALPA guys come up with?

Because right now they have as much authority to negotiate for seniority as west pilots do.

 

[Pi brat]

Does anyone know what, if anything happened to Boeing Boy? I can't find anyone that knows. Let's just call a truce for a while?

 

[nycbusdriver]

You will stagnate as we integrate.

Yes, I have resigned myself to the fact that I will stagnate for the rest of my career in the left seat of the A330.

Tough times, loser.

 

[Move2CLT]

Tough times, loser.

Said the guy on LOA93. What an ass you are.

 

[traderjake]

Yes, I have resigned myself to the fact that I will stagnate for the rest of my career in the left seat of the A330.

Tough times, loser.

As the lowest paid wide body Captain with 21 vacation days...

You're the loser if you're bragging about that...

 

[Ames]

Yes, I have resigned myself to the fact that I will stagnate for the rest of my career in the left seat of the A330.

Tough times, loser.

Not a surprising easthole attitude. "I got mine, fcuk everyone else!!" At least pride yourself in the fact that you will most likely "stagnate" in the left seat of the 330 for what FO's earn at other airlines.

 

[mrbreeze]

As the lowest paid wide body Captain with 21 vacation days...

You're the loser if you're bragging about that...

No traitor, your are the loser because you don't realize that he stood up for what is right. He didn't sell out for the himself, unlike you, he rejected the Kirby and NIC, because it isn't right. Yeah, he could have sold out and made more money, but unlike you, he has a sense of right and wrong.
breeze

 

[mrbreeze]

Not a surprising easthole attitude. "I got mine, fcuk everyone else!!" At least pride yourself in the fact that you will most likely "stagnate" in the left seat of the 330 for what FO's earn at other airlines.

way off base, pal.

 

[mrbreeze]

So, my main concern today is what happened to Jim? Boeing Boy? anyone know?