I can't wait either...but from what I am hearing the merger ain't going so well...seems the company lost their DJ and have a scab union hell bent on rallying the troops by putting out false updates and such.
So, it looks like LOA93 for you.
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I can't wait either...but from what I am hearing the merger ain't going so well...seems the company lost their DJ and have a scab union hell bent on rallying the troops by putting out false updates and such.
So, it looks like LOA93 for you.
I would honestly doubt it. How can they agree with you, when the Nicolau would put HUNDREDS of others they fly with and trust, under west div. pilots with months on the job? How could that ever be fair? It is not, it is a windfall of greed. Now the rest of the east div. pilots have persevered, and corrected that wrong.
They most likely think you are strange, and wonder how you could begin to rationalize the western greed.
I am sorry...you quoted Ted Reed...a guy who pretends to be a journalist, yet publishes falsehoods with out fact checking...so...I do not read him.
But, if you must know...yes..I am talking about the 56 year old who wants to steal his co-workers job. I do not care if he is 56 48 whatever, and I don't care if the guy whose job he wants to steal is 55 or 25...it ain't his job...
end of story.
No, your greed has been stopped. Dead. Go to court. Remember, the rest of the world would love to slam your claim of HARM into the ground. It would be like Donald Trump claiming he was harmed, when he lost a dollar in the wind, and some poor homeless woman found it and tucked it away. Then Trump wanted it back.
You have lost all sight of right and wrong in your greed. Shame on you.
It is always the LOA argument for those with not much to offer in debate, or STFU, or go to your hole. Now Ted Reed is not a journalist. Scab.
The real debate was in PHX in Judge Silvers' court. And the wrong, was righted. The Nicolau died a quick death in the Silver Courtroom.
Although pilots from predecessor US Airways agreed to binding arbitration on seniority, they generally felt so disenfranchised by Nicolau's list that they voted to leave the
after 57 years and to create a new union, the U.S. Airline Pilots Association. The list's most controversial component placed a 56-year-old pilot with 17 years at US Airways, who was never laid off, behind a 35-year-old America West pilot with a few months on the job. In hundreds of similar cases, east pilots with 15 or more years at the carrier went behind west pilots with just a few years.
after 57 years and to create a new union, the U.S. Airline Pilots Association. The list's most controversial component placed a 56-year-old pilot with 17 years at US Airways, who was never laid off, behind a 35-year-old America West pilot with a few months on the job. In hundreds of similar cases, east pilots with 15 or more years at the carrier went behind west pilots with just a few years.
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Do you even work here?
I see you still don't know the difference between seniority and longevity.
Just so I'm sure I have this right; are you honestly trying to tell me that a 56 year old pilot with 17 years of unbroken company service, is supposedly trying to "steal" ANYTHING from the 35 year old, who was still on probation and barely out of indoc and initial, if even that? You can't possibly be even the least bit serious here...Can you?....Really? If so, then I simply can't honestly imagine or even begin to at all (or in any possible way EVER) comprehend such a mindset....Period! I think we're done here.
As I've previously observed...Nic and Wake did you folks a tremendous disservice by way of expections.
From what I've seen, the courts are not going to step in until the contract (or the next SLI agreement) is complete and harm can be proven. Until then it is simply "attempted DFR" and that appears to be acceptable to the courts.
BTW, can someone link me to the transcript?
Sad isn't it? Nic4 is most likely a 30 something, furloughed now, hoping to step on the backs of those who spent years on the job, and expecting a new hire to climb over a 17 yr employee. It is honestly disgusting, wrong, and thank goodness Judge Silver stopped it dead. The HARM cries are NAUSEATING.
I do know the difference between right and wrong. Try looking sometime,
The list's most controversial component placed a 56-year-old pilot with 17 years at US Airways, who was never laid off, behind a 35-year-old America West pilot with a few months on the job. In hundreds of similar cases, east pilots with 15 or more years at the carrier went behind west pilots with just a few years.
I've seriously tried to understand the west view as best that I can, but what you say there can NOT be argued with by even the poorest, possible excuse for any semblance of a decent human being, at least not from my perspective.
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He must buddy bid with CM and that group of misfits.
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Don't you pay attention or just shoot from the hip, he does not work at our outfit for the last time. Think he mentioned he had a relative here.
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In the Matter of the Seniority Integration Arbitration
Between
THE PILOTS OF NORTHWEST AIRLINES, INC.
and
THE PILOTS OF DELTA AIR LINES, INC.We turn first to the competing proposals concerning the underlying integration
method: Date-of-Hire versus a Status and Category/Ratio approach. Although there are
advantages and disadvantages to each method, the facts of this case persuade this Board
that the Status and Category approach is the more fair and equitable. To be sure, prior
ALPA Arbitration Boards have merged Seniority Lists by means of date-weighted methods.10 But in this case, that method is not sufficiently responsive to the makeup of
these two groups. The relative seniority mismatch between the two contingents results,
when combined by Date-of-Hire, in a dramatic overloading of NWA pilots in premium
flying categories, an imbalance that remains a virtual fixture in the ongoing relationship
between the parties.11
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