OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[jetjok1]

Your mom is giving me a job action right now bro and its not even Halloween!

That retort(and just about every other) was about as smart as your food choices are when you can't wait to deplane in your fantasy base CLT.

 

[jetjok1]

Again the ignorant slut speaks. You got to where you are on your back.

For some reason..........that's not a good pic!

 

[Ames]

So they will come in, become our CBA and submit a seniority list to M/B when a federal judge has said it can be renegotiated?

Yes. Moving off of binding arbitration would subject them to litigation from the west, thus throwing a big monkey wrench into the merger. Why would they pick up your fight for you when the law is clearly on our side? The east can litigate but I believe that Judge Silver's ruling makes it an extreme uphill battle for you to even attempt to negotiate off of the Nic.

APA does not need to subvert the merger with the east's demands. DOH does not benefit them, especially when you consider all of the TWA pilots there. APA will do what is best for their guys and fighting for the eastholes is not a priority.

 

[Keroseneuser]

Meeting notes.

Notes are:

1. PHX is bigger than they want now, the T/A is only thing keeping PHX from shrinking
2. Mgmt. would not agree that NIC is the list....even when the west F/O was badgering him about it he would not answer yes.
3. West furloughees have zero chance at recall in 2013, and mgmt. alluded to it being longer.
4. Basically told the furloughees if they wanted to come back they should take the east recall. he mentioned (insert junior west furlough name) being a 320 f/o on the east...not sure if that is current or where (junior west furloughee) would be if he took the recall.
5. No hiring on the west in 2013. They seem to be alluding to no more hiring on the west at all.
6. West is overstaffed now and the only thing keeping them at current level is the min fleet and block hour counts.
7. West is stagnent and will remain so thru 2013 at least.
8. Mgmt. "We are a ways from a joint contract"
9. New hires on the east being told that they will probably upgrade in 5 to 7 years. Due to east attrition, and new rest requirements taking effect in 2014.

 

[Ames]

Yes, "absolutely priceless" indeed, and who could even question the "wisdom" of such? I'm equally, absolutely certain that very clearly demonstrating such wholesale refusual to even consider negotiations will serve your side well in the future. 😉

Just as we have seen how that wisdom worked for your merger committee back when negotiating was part of the process and afterward when the arbitrator told them to come off of their DOH demands.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Update for October 24, 2012: US Airways Considers DJ Decision Appeal

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Update for October 24, 2012

Quick Fact #238: USAPA Merger Counsel Pat Szymanski told the BPR that “should US Airways or any other party appeal the Declaratory Judgment decision, with the backlog that exists in the 9th Circuit Court, it could be one to two years before a final ruling.” This could prevent the NMB to restart Mediator assisted Section 6 negotiations keeping Contract 2004 and LOA 93 in place where US Airways’ pilots would be bottom of the barrel employees for years to come. Should US Airways’ pilots seek new BPR Representatives through an election or recall who could possibly find a resolution to the seniority integration dispute?

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[Ames]

Does he or any other west pilot have the right to suggest solutions to our problem? That's what it really is. They sure have suggested "just accept the nic!" a lot.

That's the only solution to the problem.

 

[Ames]

Don't be too hard on them. Suggestions and someday threats are all they have now.

Begging for west cooperation is all you have now.

 

[Pi brat]

Uh, that was meant in a strictly SNL, Jane Curtin/Dan Aykroyd sense. I in no way meant to impugn pre's character. I'm sure she/he is a fine person, if a little...







For some reason..........that's not a good pic!

 

[nevergiveup]

That's the only solution to the problem.

Perhaps selling the west is truly the best option.

 

[Pi brat]

But there are repercussions if those negotiations go astray.

She also mentioned that, right Pi?

She did, without defining them.

Btw, you lied again. Parker did not say he was going to appeal. I'm thinking he will, but he didn't commit to it.

 

[Ames]

Lets make this easy for you...

You don't believe USAPA is sincere in their overtures to the the West regarding the opportunity to discuss the seniority list... You don't believe USAPA really desires any change to the list. i.e.. USAPA (according to you) doesn't have any sincere intention to negotiate with the West about it.

On other hand, Marty is making proposals about the list, i.e. MARTY IS NEGOTIATING, albeit without much success. Why are several West posters bouncing up and down with glee that the East is begging the West to accept a change to the list, when it is obvious that is not the case, and you are actually arguing the opposite?

The east cannot be sincere in its overtures toward negotiating as long as DOH remains in the CB&L's. That's a fact.

Marty Harper is not negotiating for the west. He is simply telling your attorney the facts as he sees them.

Gary Hummell wrote a letter to John Scherff (west chairman) asking him to negotiate.

Can you handle the truth?

 

[luvthe9]

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[Ames]

"Jane, you ignorant slut" comes to mind. Old enough to remember that?

No. WTF?

 

[Ames]

Piedmont and USAir (Allegheny) along with many other airlines that did not have anti-nepotism hiring policies, hired many pilots from within their "family" of employees.

Having a family member help get your application perhaps to the top of the interview pile was helpful, but one still had to compete for the actual job. Some made it and some didn't.

Some of the finest pilots and nicest people at USAirways came from airline families. Pi Brat happens to be one of those guys and was one of the best pilots and first officers I had the privilege of flying with.

Someone who has grown up in a airline environment and works his/her way through the ranks has a unique appreciation of the industry. Wish we had more.....

So, at US Airways, you consider daddy getting you a job at 20 working your way up through the ranks? No wonder you guys have such an entitlement mentality.