OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Move2CLT]

junior 190 captain in the last bid is a Sept 2004 hire, one of the MDA guys. So it will not be long before Odell can hold it.

How much is that Captain making?

 

[Keroseneuser]

How much is that Captain making?

Not sure how they are figuring the MDA guys for longevity pay, but if he has full credit for the 2004 date that puts him on 8 year pay. Thats $93 an hour. TOS for the 190 is $101

Other seniority Junior dates:

Junior Bus captain is a 8-87 guy. 591 numbers to go until a 99 hire gets to bus capt. However I did see lots of Sick leaves between the 87 and 99 guy, more than I would have expected, didn't count them though.

Junior widebody F/O is a 8-99 hire on the 76.

 

[prechilill]

Not sure how they are figuring the MDA guys for longevity pay, but if he has full credit for the 2004 date that puts him on 8 year pay. Thats $93 an hour. TOS for the 190 is $101

Other seniority Junior dates:

Junior Bus captain is a 8-87 guy. 591 numbers to go until a 99 hire gets to bus capt. However I did see lots of Sick leaves between the 87 and 99 guy, more than I would have expected, didn't count them though.

Junior widebody F/O is a 8-99 hire on the 76.

What's the junior 330 captain doh?

 

[Keroseneuser]

What's the junior 330 captain doh?

LOL, not sure but he is in the 3 digit seniority range.

 

[Ames]

No, the NIC was a victory for you. It is NOT middle of the road for a large part of the East pilot group, no matter how you try to justify it or spin it.

Bad things have been happening on the East since 1989 mostly caused by incompetant management. Sorriest day of my life was the day USAir bought Piedmont with our own assets and our own money, then ran it into the ground. Thanks to Norfolk Southern Railroad also for putting us in play.

#### over.

Driver...

Waaa! Waaa! Waaa! Quick, get a binky.

 

[Ames]

Ah there we have it. The Nic is a windfall because it failed to make up for the east's crappy career...
Thanks for your unbridled honesty- but the west would have preferred your liquidation over saving your job.

Truer words have never been spoken.

 

[Keroseneuser]

That does highlight why the east has so much trouble with the NIC award. I did not count exact numbers and I do not know the name of the senior 1988 guy that was furloughed from the east, but there looked to be only about 150 to 200 guys in between the junior bus capt. and the 1989 guys that are all under the west on NIC.

By the end of 2013 every f/o left on the east would have all the west guys senior to them under NIC. Thats why I don't see any possible way to ever get anything NIC voted in, at least until 1000 guys or so retire.

 

[cleardirect]

Rigattoni wrote:

[background=rgb(245, 245, 245)]The draft opinion on the 3% contains troubling factual errors, inconsistencies, and an apparent misunderstanding of the question raised.[/background]

Of course it does. You poor, poor victims. No one gets you.

Shocking! Yet another neutral third party that failed to see it usapa's way. Another incompetent arbitrator who just does not understand that east pilots are entitled and that the words on the page mean what east pilots want them to mean not what they really say.

Troubling factual errors, right was usapa in the room when the arguments were made? I would say usapa failed to make the argument and it is usapa that makes the factual errors and usapa that misunderstands the question.

Just once it would be a breath of fresh air if east pilots would admit they made a mistake and got it wrong. That usapa lost. It was not the arbitrators fault they lost the east pilots just read the contract wrong and should not have filed the grievance.

Instead it is always someone's else's fault.

 

[cleardirect]

No, the NIC was a victory for you. It is NOT middle of the road for a large part of the East pilot group, no matter how you try to justify it or spin it.

Bad things have been happening on the East since 1989 mostly caused by incompetant management. Sorriest day of my life was the day USAir bought Piedmont with our own assets and our own money, then ran it into the ground. Thanks to Norfolk Southern Railroad also for putting us in play.

#### over.

Driver...

The Nicolau may not be a victory for a "large" part of the east pilots. Every west pilots lost relative seniority using the Nicolau.

But DOH is a win for EVERY east pilot and a loss for EVERY west pilot.

To bad you have bad management. But that is not a reason for the west to pay for your bad management. It is not a reason for the west to make up for your bad career.

Nicolau is the compromise. What you want is for the west to move to your position using the Nicolau. Then move again towards the east giving you further gain.

We did that once. Not going to happen again.

 

[Pi brat]

Every west pilots lost relative seniority using the Nicolau.

For how long? And then, how big was the windfall for the bottom half moving forward?

Looking at the updated Nic list one of your pilots put out last year, from about #578 up, your list has an improved relative position on the Nic vs standalone. And that is using the whole west standalone list, including the furloughed. The biggest jumpers would have about a 14% pt improvement on the Nic vs standalone.

Give the whole story.

 

[Pi brat]

What's the junior 330 captain doh?

His DOH is 7/81. He has 37 west guys senior to him on the updated Nic.

 

[EastUS1]

nevergiveup, on 25 October 2012 - 04:45 AM, said: The true west colors come out!

Oh, say can you see by the dawn's early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

Wow! Anytime I even begin to imagine that infantile west arrogance knows ANY bounds whatsoever.....Sheesh! Is there some secret badge in the cutesie little "army"-of-adolescents you have out there that's Red White and Blue now? Little luvn puppy; compare the numbers of west versus east pilots that have actually worn the Colors and then get back to us all. For starters; you certainly have NOT!

While you're at it: Explain to us how/when/where it became ANY aspect of truly American philosophy to skip anyone with a whopping 3 months worked ahead of another with 17 years unbroken service? When did personal advancement-by-arbitration become a keystone part of the American work "ethic"? 😉

 

[EastUS1]

His DOH is 7/81. He has 37 west guys senior to him on the updated Nic.

What could possibly be more "fair and equitable" than placing people who's company didn't even then exist ahead of others already on the line for a few years? You just can't make that kind of insanity up and expect people not to laugh. 😉

 

[cltrat]

His DOH is 7/81. He has 37 west guys senior to him on the updated Nic.

that tells an outsider all that needs to be known about the Nic

 

[Phoenix]

that tells an outsider all that needs to be known about the Nic

Legitimate union purpose # 37.