Oh Where Oh Where Has The Iam Gone ?

[aafsc]

Lets see, you voted to strike, the court imposed concessions yet all the AMFA represented mechanics at UAL are still at work, why has the leadership not listened to the membership?

Why are there 50% less AMTs at NWA?

And to aafsc, there are more then 10 cities that the fleet service are working at.

[post="260551"][/post]​

I may be mistaken, but I thought that someone on these boards said that 21 cities will be outsourced leaving just 10. If I remember the list correctly the 10 remaining cities are: PHL, PIT, CLT, LGA, BOS, DCA, FLL, MCO, TPA, and I can't remember the last one.

 

[700UW]

If the language was not changed in the Final Offer, the original language in the contract remains in effect.

The Final Offer packet contained the language changes and it was given to every member by thier grievance reps and were available at every ratification vote.

US flies into 89 mainline stations.

 

[delldude]

"The company may" do anything they d*** well please because the IAM is now powerless!!!!

[post="260695"][/post]​

c'mon..IAM is as powerless as we let them be......all the spina's and chopper's in the world only get away with what we let them.....strength in numbers......when and if we ever come together is another story.....

 

[robbedagain]

with the iam being so powerless, especially after 6-30-05, i guess they will have to raise their dues to the rest of the usair employes that are left on the property to help offset loses aand that the high ranking union officials continue on with their high wages

 

[IAM1776PHL]

with the iam being so powerless, especially after 6-30-05, i guess they will have to raise their dues to the rest of the usair employes that are left on the property to help offset loses aand that the high ranking union officials continue on with their high wages

[post="260719"][/post]​

Their high wages and pensions and expense accounts ect. So where are they now to answer the to the rank and file?

 

[700UW]

If you read the constitution, you would know they can not raise dues for loss of members.

 

[wings396]

If the language was not changed in the Final Offer, the original language in the contract remains in effect.

The Final Offer packet contained the language changes and it was given to every member by thier grievance reps and were available at every ratification vote.

US flies into 89 mainline stations.

[post="260701"][/post]​

You had better check your numbers on that one 700. I don't have the exact city count, but I would be willing to bet that there are less than 50 Mainline Stations left on the System today. There are 21 or so that are getting Outsourced leaving only a few class 2 stations along with the Class 1 stations. The following stations are Class 1, PIT PHL CLT BOS LGA DCA PVD BDL FLL TPA and MCO. I may have left one or two out, but there are no more that 12. Add to that the Class 2 that are not YET outsourced, and you will be lucky to have more that 20 total.
If you said that we have pulled out of 89 Mainline stations, that would be more on the Money!!

 

[700UW]

I was talking about the mechanic and related contract in regard to the final offer, not ramp.

And I was stating where US flew into pre-concessions.

 

[aetheling1]

As far as ramp, Eagle does pay a few dollars less an hour and they pay more for medical than does an AA ramper. I believe a topped out ramper at Eagle makes about $15.50 an hour as to where AA tops out close to $20.

[post="260306"][/post]​

Actually tops out at $14.56 with the new contract. The top out was $14.00; this was negotiated in the 1997 contract which was a 5 yr deal that turned out to be a 7 yr deal. In 2008 will be $15.30. This was voted down the first time but the TWU had their members revote until they "got it right". 12 steps to top out.

If an Eagle Ramper transfers to AA don't they start out at the bottom & wait the full 9 yrs to top out?

 

[aafsc]

Actually tops out at $14.56 with the new contract. The top out was $14.00; this was negotiated in the 1997 contract which was a 5 yr deal that turned out to be a 7 yr deal. In 2008 will be $15.30. This was voted down the first time but the TWU had their members revote until they "got it right". 12 steps to top out.

If an Eagle Ramper transfers to AA don't they start out at the bottom & wait the full 9 yrs to top out?

[post="260753"][/post]​

Yes, I believe they do. But over the years Eagle people have come over to AA. I have worked with quite a few. And some of the ones I worked with should be at or near the top by now.

 

[UAL_TECH]

c'mon..IAM is as powerless as we let them be......all the spina's and chopper's in the world only get away with what we let them.....strength in numbers......when and if we ever come together is another story.....

[post="260714"][/post]​

As are any of US!!!
We all have a certain amount of power.
If we chose to utilize that power or not is up to 'US'!!!

Take Care,
B) UT

 

[aafsc]

As are any of US!!!
We all have a certain amount of power.
If we chose to utilize that power or not is up to 'US'!!!

Take Care,
B) UT

[post="261199"][/post]​

Exactly. But there has to be a leadership to successfully coordinate and implement the will of it's members and not think of the well being of itself.

 

[700UW]

During the airbus outsourcing, the IAM leaders visited all the mechanic and related locals and workplaces to drum up support to take on the company in more then just a legal battle, and the members did not have the fortitude to do that.

 

[delldude]

Exactly. But there has to be a leadership to successfully coordinate and implement the will of it's members and not think of the well being of itself.

[post="261205"][/post]​

i think you miss the point...there is able leadership......the problem is the masses.....nobody has time for meetings and such anymore and now you pay the price...try and listen to the excuses when some form of union activity comes up.
read over labor history and you'll see we are rapidly retreating to the point before the labor movement started....you know the point where workers were getting crapped on and such......look in the paper....how many feel unions are not needed anymore.....even though it is a proven fact that union represented families make better wages,have better benefits,have better standards of living than non union families....
union membership in this country is down to a paltry 12% and dwindling...not because of a lack of leadership but a lack of commitment from its membership.....put the blame where it should be...at our own feet.
end of sermon...

 

[aafsc]

During the airbus outsourcing, the IAM leaders visited all the mechanic and related locals and workplaces to drum up support to take on the company in more then just a legal battle, and the members did not have the fortitude to do that.

[post="261221"][/post]​

Then why did not the IAM leadership respect the first "no" vote by the USAir AMTs? After that first vote, that should have been it. No revoting because people were "confused".