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[BLOCKQUOTE][BR]----------------[BR]On 1/21/2003 1:30:46 PM pitguy wrote: [BR][BR]So be it. Close the doors then. Just make sure you will truly be happy with your new accomplishment. My money says you are just kidding yourself though. I picture all your fellow pilots saying when you head for the door, "you first" and you replying "no, you first" and that is all the further it goes. The funny part is that only you are fooling yourself because no one else is buying it. ----------------[/BLOCKQUOTE][BR][BR]No, you're kidding yourself. There comes a point where it isn't worth it anymore. The pilots on this property, in return for their loyal service, were promised a retirement. For a lot of them, it was a condition of employment. I, myself, wouldn't have accepted this job without it. I surely won't continue to work here without it. So, if the company thinks that they can just take, take, take, they'd better rethink their strategy. It's pretty dumb of management not to take into account one of their largest funding issues when they negotiated all of the post chapter 11 financing. Did they think they could just snap their fingers and do away with this? It appears so to me. I'm sure that if they approached this issue realistically with the same commitment that they have approached everything else that they would be able to find a way to make it work. If not, it's not worth staying here for most pilots, especially the ones over 50. By the way, the government is not allowing a "distressed termination" of this plan because they feel that management hasn't tried hard enough to keep it afloat, and they feel that the company can somehow fund it. That's the ONLY reason they would not allow it.