Still Think this is The Land of Liberty?

[SparrowHawk]

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/high-school-student-tackled-officers-phone-call-sick-mother/

 

[signals]

The point remains that a Gun & Badge don't grant cops extra rights.

Cops are just humans and can make mistakes and are lead into temptations like anyone else. In case you don't know society is becoming more violent. Especially in urban cities. Victims are becoming the villains and the villains are becoming the victims.

If it comes to police taking one scum bag off the streets, it's all fair in love and war. We really are against cops until we need them, wouldn't you say?

Society is slowly making it easy for the criminals to get away with murder by finding ways to handcuff law enforcement instead of the psychopath that walks freely among us.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Cops are just humans and can make mistakes and are lead into temptations like anyone else. In case you don't know society is becoming more violent. Especially in urban cities. Victims are becoming the villains and the villains are becoming the victims.

If it comes to police taking one scum bag off the streets, it's all fair in love and war. We really are against cops until we need them, wouldn't you say?

Society is slowly making it easy for the criminals to get away with murder by finding ways to handcuff law enforcement instead of the psychopath that walks freely among us.

You do NOT promote Amercan Ideals via Un-American Actions and Policies. All of us are human and make mistakes, even the Bible tells us that. Eacho f us who make a mistake pay for it. Rob a bank? Go to jail. Beat a kid senseless with no probable cause or because he looks different than you under the cover of authority? Get a free ride or a miniscule punishment? I DON'T Think So! Homey don't play that..

 

[777 fixer]

Cops are just humans and can make mistakes and are lead into temptations like anyone else. In case you don't know society is becoming more violent. Especially in urban cities. 

 
FBI statistics show that over the past twenty years the violent crime rate has dropped.
 
 http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/1tabledatadecoverviewpdf/table_1_crime_in_the_united_states_by_volume_and_rate_per_100000_inhabitants_1993-2012.xls

 

[Ms Tree]

Shhhhhh. He is trying to make a point.

 

[SparrowHawk]

The problem exposed
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLsPBuHgkts

 

[blue collar]

Just another day in the police state until ONE man strikes a blow for Liberty by exercising his Natural Born Rights.
 
This man is a TRUE patriot
 
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/police-door-warrant-shut-guy/.

I don't know if knowing your rights makes you a true patriot, but good on him for knowing them. I would've done the same in that situation. No warrant- no entry, plain and simple.

 

[delldude]

 
FBI statistics show that over the past twenty years the violent crime rate has dropped.
 
 http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/1tabledatadecoverviewpdf/table_1_crime_in_the_united_states_by_volume_and_rate_per_100000_inhabitants_1993-2012.xls

 
Increase in gun ownership.  

 

[777 fixer]

 
Increase in gun ownership.  

 
Experts are a bit perplexed by it but gun ownership appears not to be one of the reasons.  Better forensic tools and tools for the police is one contributing factor.  How many people have we seen get busted because they left DNA a t a crime scene.  Wouldn't have seen that thirty years ago.

 

[777 fixer]

 
In a way YES.
 
But who allows those types of Police Chiefs into a position of power for 20 something years. Under the old regime civil forfeiture laws were used to purchase over $750,000 worth of what I'll call "toys". This is the best equipped 20 person police force I've ever encountered.
 
So in the end the issue of loss of Liberty comes down to two things in this example. 
 
1. Civil Forfeiture is the real issue. These laws are a heinous violation of civil liberties to varying degrees nationwide. Now you really can't fault small police departments in cash strapped communities for exploiting these laws.
 
2. When police use the technology they've acquired through leveraging civil forfeiture in inappropriate ways. Using this police force as an example, under the old chief they bought advanced license plate scanners. Neat technology BTW. Under the old Chief they used these scanners as Revenue Enhancement tools, scanning nearly every plate that passed them looking for whatever they could find with no probable cause and often precious little oversight. New Chief they have stricter guidelines.
 
The generic problem is a near total lack on accountability. Arrest a fellow officer who clearly would be arrested and it could cost you your job or even your life. If a cop is convicted by some miracle there is almost always minimal jail time if any compared to what you and I might get. 
 
The point remains that a Gun & Badge don't grant cops extra rights.

 
If you don't like the forfeiture laws go after the people who write the laws.

 

[SparrowHawk]

We are, Several case pending right bow brought by the Institue for justice, A Libertarian version of the ACLU.
 
Already MN has changed their laws. Liberty rises one act of resistance at a time. We have lost alot thanks to Bush/Obama, but slowly Liberty rises.
 
https://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/2014/09/washpo-reports-cops-have-a-website-where-they-brag-about-civil-forfeitures-and-compete-with-each-other-for-revenue-and-that-is-just-the-tip-of-the-taser/

 

[SparrowHawk]

It's not just cops and civil forfeiture laws, it's everywhere. Tyranny at every turn and the majority whistles past the graveyard.
 
http://news.msn.com/us/us-threatened-yahoo-with-huge-fine-over-emails

 

[777 fixer]

We are, Several case pending right bow brought by the Institue for justice, A Libertarian version of the ACLU.
 
Already MN has changed their laws. Liberty rises one act of resistance at a time. We have lost alot thanks to Bush/Obama, but slowly Liberty rises.
 
https://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/2014/09/washpo-reports-cops-have-a-website-where-they-brag-about-civil-forfeitures-and-compete-with-each-other-for-revenue-and-that-is-just-the-tip-of-the-taser/

 
You could have just linked to the Washington Post article.

 

[SparrowHawk]

 
You could have just linked to the Washington Post article.

 
 
I COULD have done a lot of things. One of the things I did do was look up Patton's Speech to 3rd Army given prior to D-Day. You can find the full text here. http://www.privateline.com/war/patton.html
 
As I read it, I wondered just how long Patton would survive in this Politically Correct world in which we live?America's greatest warrior today would be muzzled like somebody's pet Pit Bull

 

[777 fixer]

 
 
I COULD have done a lot of things. One of the things I did do was look up Patton's Speech to 3rd Army given prior to D-Day. You can find the full text here. http://www.privateline.com/war/patton.html
 
As I read it, I wondered just how long Patton would survive in this Politically Correct world in which we live?America's greatest warrior today would be muzzled like somebody's pet Pit Bull

 
I have no idea what that has to do with the subject.