Still Think this is The Land of Liberty?

[Ms Tree]

Squirrel!!!!!!

 

[SparrowHawk]

 
I have no idea what that has to do with the subject.

 

 
I have no idea what that has to do with the subject.

 
Well, it goes to show that we are now a nation of style over substance. That now it is more important how you feel then what you do. We lose Liberty on a daily basis and to me it's generals like Patton who kept us safe and free. Now we have no one like him and we as a nation are worse for it.
 
I just can't visualize Patton firing on US Citizens. The current gang? YES.

 

[777 fixer]

 
 
Well, it goes to show that we are now a nation of style over substance. That now it is more important how you feel then what you do. We lose Liberty on a daily basis and to me it's generals like Patton who kept us safe and free. Now we have no one like him and we as a nation are worse for it.
 
 

 
Let me remind you that Patton's contemporaries also put an entire ethnic group on the West Coast in internment camps.  That as recently as the 1960's in certain parts of the country you had things like separate drinking fountains, separate bathrooms, poll taxes, segregated public transportation etc, etc.  

 

[PHXConx]

 
Let me remind you that Patton's contemporaries also put an entire ethnic group on the West Coast in internment camps.  That as recently as the 1960's in certain parts of the country you had things like separate drinking fountains, separate bathrooms, poll taxes, segregated public transportation etc, etc.  

two ethnic groups 

 

[SparrowHawk]

Patton was a LEADER.  Now then let's take another look at the police in action in Obama's home state of IL. Land of Liberty? It can be if you know your rights as this citizen did.
 
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/wait-it-wait-it-belligerent-cop-loses-man-knowing-rights/
 
Fireworks begin at the 3,30 mark
 
http://benswann.com/tsa-tries-to-pat-down-man-after-his-flight-watch-him-refuse/

 

[777 fixer]

Let me point out that in Patton's home state of California Japanese-Americans were rounded up and put into internment camps without any legal recourse.  Or that during WW 1 there were people thrown in jail for voicing their opposition to the war.  And we all know about Jim Crow.  
 
Point, a lot worse things have happened in this countries past than some over zealous TSA agent giving a traveler a hard time. 

 

[SparrowHawk]

Let me point out that in Patton's home state of California Japanese-Americans were rounded up and put into internment camps without any legal recourse.  Or that during WW 1 there were people thrown in jail for voicing their opposition to the war.  And we all know about Jim Crow.  
 
Point, a lot worse things have happened in this countries past than some over zealous TSA agent giving a traveler a hard time. 

 
I don't care one wit what happened 70 years ago. I work with a lady whose parents were in the camps in CA. SO WHAT? I didn't live in the US in 1940 as I wasn't born. We are confronted with abuses from our government NOW and since I live in the here and NOW that is my focus.

 

[777 fixer]

 
I don't care one wit what happened 70 years ago. 

 
You care about the sacrifices made by those before us?

 

[SparrowHawk]

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/police-11-arrests-seize-190-pounds-unlicensed-ginseng-30000-cash/
 
To Serve and Protect Us From Ginseng farmers everywhere. Land of the Free? I think not.

 

[delldude]

Let me point out that in Patton's home state of California Japanese-Americans were rounded up and put into internment camps without any legal recourse.  Or that during WW 1 there were people thrown in jail for voicing their opposition to the war.  And we all know about Jim Crow.  
 
Point, a lot worse things have happened in this countries past than some over zealous TSA agent giving a traveler a hard time. 

 
Didn't progressive dems do all you mentioned?

 

[SparrowHawk]

 
Didn't progressive dems do all you mentioned?

 
FDR was in office at the time of the internment of Japanese Americans. One could also argue their foreign policy led to the attack on Pearl Harbor. Bother Way who was it that ordered the dropping of two A-Bombs? Wasn't it some evil war mongering Republican? NO WAIT, I'm so sorry it was Democrat Harry Truman and didn't he involve us in Korea as well? Woodrow Wilson in WWI, FDR in WWII, JFK/LBJ in Vietnam? Anyone seeing a pattern here?

 

[777 fixer]

 
 Bother Way who was it that ordered the dropping of two A-Bombs? Wasn't it some evil war mongering Republican? NO WAIT, I'm so sorry it was Democrat Harry Truman 

 
My grandfather served in the Pacific.  I never heard him complain about the dropping of the atomic bomb.
 

 
 and didn't he involve us in Korea as well? 

 
And the end result is that South Korea is a stable democracy and an important ally and trading partner of the US.
 

 Woodrow Wilson in WWI,

 
Since you are so hot and heavy on declarations of war let me remind you that's exactly what congress did in 1917.
 

 
 FDR in WWII

 
That war was declared as well.  And we were attacked.  Now before you say our foreign policy led to the attack I would say if we had continued supplying the Japanese you would be lamenting the fact that we supplied such a barbaric regime.
 

JFK/LBJ in Vietnam?

 
 JFK sent advisers there.  But then so did Ike.  LBJ was the one who got the snow ball rolling. 

 

[delldude]

 
My grandfather served in the Pacific.  I never heard him complain about the dropping of the atomic bomb.
 
 
 

 
He wasn't at Hiroshima or Nagasaki.

 

[777 fixer]

 
He wasn't at Hiroshima or Nagasaki.

 
This is true.

 

[SparrowHawk]

 
My grandfather served in the Pacific.  I never heard him complain about the dropping of the atomic bomb.
 
 
And the end result is that South Korea is a stable democracy and an important ally and trading partner of the US.
 
 
Since you are so hot and heavy on declarations of war let me remind you that's exactly what congress did in 1917.
 
 
That war was declared as well.  And we were attacked.  Now before you say our foreign policy led to the attack I would say if we had continued supplying the Japanese you would be lamenting the fact that we supplied such a barbaric regime.
 
 
 JFK sent advisers there.  But then so did Ike.  LBJ was the one who got the snow ball rolling. 

 
 
LBJ was another evil Republican then right? That can't be right as he was JFK's Vice President.
 
I said one COULD argue and many like Charles Lindbergh did. Either which way the war was entered into in the proper way, unlike Korea, Vietnam etc etc. Same for WWI so I have no real issue there.
 
So you have the same situational ethics of la la lli le lo land? What happened to principle and non intervention?
 
None of my ancestors served in the Pacific theater of operations. I have no issue with using the 2 bombs. As you pointed out the war was declared and Truman was our Commander in Chief.
 
The point is in the last 70 years we have ceded our sovereignty to the UN and Global Bankers which has cost us a great deal of personal liberty. The nation of my Father, Uncle and your Grandfather no longer exists as the tyrants continue to enslave us and we allow it.
 
http://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/2014/09/illinois-judge-rules-police-entitled-to-swat-raid-over-parody-twitter-account/