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Important Questions and Answers Regarding AA's Last Best Offer
May 02, 2012
Different questions have been raised in the two days since the Company’s Last and Best Offer was finalized. This offer is being put to vote based on the commitment we made at the outset of the Bankruptcy process that the membership would have the opportunity to vote on the LBO. In order to make sure that this vote is based on accurate information about the contents of the proposal and the laws which govern the bankruptcy process, we are putting out answers to commonly asked questions.

1. If our contract is rejected by the Bankruptcy Court, what will be imposed, the Company’s “ask” before the proceedings began on the Company’s motion to reject, or the Last Best Offer (LBO) made after those proceedings began?
The law on rejection of collective bargaining agreements has evolved over the years in ways that are not favorable to unions or working people. In 2007, in the Northwest bankruptcy, the Court rejected the contract covering the flight attendants after they rejected the Company’s LBO. At that time, the Bankruptcy Court stated that the Company could only impose its LBO, not the Company’s prior Ask. That ruling, which I commented on in writing at the time, has since been superseded (as has my comment on it), and is no longer the binding law on the issue in the Bankruptcy Courts of the Southern District of New York. The superseding case is the Frontier Airlines case, which was ruled on in 2009. There, the Federal District Court for the Southern District of New York (the district we are in, and the court which reviews all the decisions of the Bankruptcy Court handling AA’s filing) ruled that proposals made after the beginning of the hearings on an 1113 motion are not admissible to establish the level of concessions necessary for reorganization. What the Court specifically held was that “under the regime established by Section 1113, proposals and supporting disclosures made by a party after the rejection hearing has begun may not form the basis for concluding whether the 1113 standard has been satisfied, except, perhaps, where the parties expressly agree they may be considered.” In other words, absent an agreement to the contrary, the LBO, if it was made after the rejection proceedings began, is not even admissible into the hearings to decide whether to abrogate the contract, much less to define precisely what terms and conditions of employment the company may initially impose.

The Company’s “ask” was made before the rejection proceedings began. The LBO was made after those proceedings began. The Company was obviously aware of the Frontier precedent and stated at all times that the terms of the LBO were without prejudice
to its position before the Bankruptcy Court. Therefore, there was no agreement to allow the Court to consider the LBO. We, of course, will pursue all legal arguments should we face contract rejection, but the controlling precedent in New York is that the LBO is not even admissible into the 1113 proceedings and that the Company is not bound by the LBO and can impose its prehearing “ask” if the contract is rejected.

2. If the Court permits the Company to reject our agreement will we be able to strike?
In 2007, the Northwest flight attendants sought the right to strike after their contract was rejected. The Second Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that NWA did not violate the status quo by imposing concessions on the flight attendants because the court had authorized NWA to reject their contract and also ruled in that case the flight attendants had no right to strike.

3. When will the NMB release us or the other AA unions?
It is impossible to know how long we can be kept in mediation, but certain things are clear. The NMB is not quick to issue releases at major carriers. Amtrak workers were kept in mediation for close to ten years and other work groups in the airline industry have amendable dates which precede ours.. The point is that it is impossible to know when we will be able to strike, but it is very unlikely that it will be quick, and in that time much damage will be done.

Sharon L. Levine, Lowenstein Sandler PC
 
Sort of goes along the same lines to what I asked in the "Don't Get Reamed" thread.

When/if this fails and the judge imposes the term sheet, we go back/start negotiations all over again.
What gives the company any incentive to negotiate?
The way all these many threads read, we will never be released to strike.
 
No question about it, I will vote NO. Let the company impose what they want. Cause with thousands of pissed off employees begrudgingly showing up for work, just going through the motions, I'm confident the company will be a success going it alone. Not......
 
Still a solid NO from me.

She didn't really say anything that changed my view at all.

Have her write an opinion that says we have NO CONTRACT at all upon abrogation, that is what the TWU is claiming. and they are common liars.

We will be working under a Modified Contract with negotations continued.
 
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This guy about sums it up... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8hQ4eaohzQ

As I watched my father and his best friend go through all those airlines being screwed by corporate raiders I still CHOOSE to go into the same industry and do the same job. All of us feel your anger. But when you spend 16 min on an anger filled F bomb tirade you loose all credibility.
 
I hate to say it, he may be passionate about his job and the airline, but I think there is one less RIF they have to worry about.

Not very smart.
 
Crossing yor arms and pooching out your bottom lip isn't going to change a thing. It's been done by many for years..... So what?
 
I vote yes I know what I get. I vote no I get an undetermined amount of years of nothing.
Vote yes and when the company exits bankrupcy in a year and turns massive profits, you can be locked into an 8 year deal, while our US Air brothers are making 10 more bucks an hour. Your a rocket surgeon.
 

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