The Struggle Is About To Start.
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This is probably the best time for a strike in the past 30 years,It is foolish to strike when the company has lots of extra cash on hand and assets that are not being used as collateral for operating cash.
KICK THEM WHILE THEY ARE DOWN!
Brilliant! NOT.
What you are advocating is irresponsible
because an airline (and any company with
unions) is more than just a bunch of
union whiners who expect to be paid above
market levels. By encouraging something
foolish, like striking at the worst possible time,
all you are doing is saying that your
co-workers are worth nothing, because you
are asking them to lose their jobs, which
would be the ultimate result of ANY strike
at a company that is in the position that
US currently is. Grow up, or better yet, go
to school and understand economics. It
might help you understand what is going
on.
KICK THEM WHILE THEY ARE DOWN!
Brilliant! NOT.
What you are advocating is irresponsible
because an airline (and any company with
unions) is more than just a bunch of
union whiners who expect to be paid above
market levels. By encouraging something
foolish, like striking at the worst possible time,
all you are doing is saying that your
co-workers are worth nothing, because you
are asking them to lose their jobs, which
would be the ultimate result of ANY strike
at a company that is in the position that
US currently is. Grow up, or better yet, go
to school and understand economics. It
might help you understand what is going
on.
Union Whiners?
The unionized employees gave back over $2.4 Billion in the first bankruptcy and now another $1 billion per year.
More money then anyone else, so I would rethink your statements, if it was not for those union whiners the company would have been out of business a long time ago.
The unionized employees gave back over $2.4 Billion in the first bankruptcy and now another $1 billion per year.
More money then anyone else, so I would rethink your statements, if it was not for those union whiners the company would have been out of business a long time ago.
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SpinDoc said:
And when I get out of school you will be working for USAir making $8.00/hr.
I don't need to go to school to see that USAir management is incompetent and will lose money no matter if you WORK FOR FREE!
700UW said:
Nothing personal against any of our fine IAM
employees. All I am saying is that what is done
is done, and any continued negativityis not
going to change the state of the company. All
union contracts have been voted on and settled,
and now it is up to the "brain trust" in CCY to
come up with a plan to make US a contender.
If they can't do that with the givebacks that
have been presented to them, I agree with
many on this board that it is beyond all hope
and time to close the doors.
700,
You said it at the beginning. The union had no leverage. So what in Sam Hill are the dues going towards. The union did not have to pay it's share of expenses in BK1's negotiations, and now they are locked in through the end of the decade. 141M has been rolled into 142. So just what is the IAM doing with those dues?
Also, is it true that sending out a contract for ratification without a recommendation violates the union's by-laws? Not trying to start anything there, actually looking for an answer to that.
You said it at the beginning. The union had no leverage. So what in Sam Hill are the dues going towards. The union did not have to pay it's share of expenses in BK1's negotiations, and now they are locked in through the end of the decade. 141M has been rolled into 142. So just what is the IAM doing with those dues?
Also, is it true that sending out a contract for ratification without a recommendation violates the union's by-laws? Not trying to start anything there, actually looking for an answer to that.
maybe if robert roach hadn't taken such a mundane stand and we could have negotiated through the summer , the end result may have been more palatable for all....N628AU said:
tell me about payback......concession stand is closed...you mean foreclosed...
700UW said:
The unions had no leverage? You mean they had no balls.
As long as companies need labor then unions have leverage. If we had real unions like they do in Europe then when the first airline announced they would seek abrogation of contracts they would have shut down the whole system.
The unions main concern with abrogation was "Check-off". The ability to have the company collect dues and send the check directly to the union. Notice that not one Union has lost check off. If the company were to go after this then they would try to whip you guys into a frenzy to fight, but as long as the cash flows they will sit back and do nothing, then blame the members for it.
By the way dont they pay dues every pay peroid? Isnt that something? What has the IAM done accept collect dues?
"You are the union", but you dont get to pick who runs it do you? You are 'the union' as much as you are the company. In reality its nothing more than a slogan.
You might be the Local, but locals are subordinate to the International, and they are not subordinate to you.
Only when you get to vote for the top officers can it be claimed that "you are the union".
SpinDoc said:
Yea thats just what workers need, unions that trust management!!!!
Why wouldnt they, after all the IAM is doing the same thing that the company is doing, getting rich off their labor and giving them nothing in return!
How much did Buffy and Roach earn last year?
delldude said:
The funny thing about Roach is that he didn't take very long to pat himself on the back and basically declare "Victory is Mine!"
Did anyone else hear the audio sound byte of him after the ratification? Something along the lines of "It shows the machinists are willing to invest in a company with a plan and proper management, but not to roll over and just give them what they want". Made me laugh. Since they put out the company's last offer, and didn't even have the cajones to put a recommendation on it, isn't rolling over exactly what they did?
