Time to decertify ALPA?

[nycbusdriver]

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[Phoenix]

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Way to Go! Spread that morality to the other senior folk.

Amen!

 

[twoturnin]

Only way I thought of to make a point with ALPO is with the ALMIGHTY $$$$----as 330 Bud was saying it might be very hard to get rid of them but $$$$ still does a lot of talking for you-----its very easy to stop auto payroll deductions----so what if your in bad standing---can't vote on contract---correct----but at least ALPO might see the bottom of pool coming up-----BTW---a bud told me a retired pilot who had resigned from ALPO "still" had money taken from him at the end ---> by the company for back ALPO dues---they might get it at the end but will sweat maybe for a while if enough stop auto dues.

 

[700UW]

You can also be terminated for non-payment of dues.

 

[twoturnin]

you can but to my knowledge no one has been fired yet----well over 400 folks have not paid a thing in a long time---have flown with a ex PSA dude who has not paid any dues in couple years and hes still here.

 

[CaptBud330]

700 US is correct. Non payment is grounds for termination. What you can do is opt out of dues checkoff and send them a partial payment at the end of the year. Then contact ALPO to work out a payment plan. They don't charge you interest on the unpaid portion.
The next best course of action is to resign. Doing that results in loss of that wonderful magazine and rights to vote. The downside is that you still have to pay some dues which are called "germane" dues. It works out to about 1.2%. You save a little. As a dues paying non-member, the union is required to send you a budget every year. You would not believe the bull sh*t expenditures that your dues are financing. I posted it on the board in CLT and it disappeared in 15 minutes. i guess someone didn't want the worker bees to see where their money was actually going.
Best of luck again to all the guys.

 

[ClueByFour]

I predict ALPA is gone. The only thing that will save it is if Prater throws out the arbitrators award.

That won't save ALPA. It will guarantee that the boys and girls of the HP branch own ALPA, and little else.

Think about it--a neutral arbitrator, per ALPA's own guidelines, wrote the award. If it gets tossed, the letters "D," "F" and "R" are all one needs to know.

What is unique about this situation is both the degree to which one side overreached and the degree to which they were spanked for doing so. It will not, however, result in either an ALPA decertification or a "thrown out" award.

 

[pilot]

Been a member of ALPA for 30 years. I know a little bit more about it than you do Clue.

I can assure you that ALPA will be decertified as the union representing the EAST pilots if this seniority list stands. APA, Teamsters or an in house union will then represent the EAST pilots.

Let me be pefectly clear: ALPA will continue to be a union. It will just not represent the pilots of the EAST side of USAirways.

I don't think many on this board understand the absolute anger and outrage going on among the EAST pilots. ALPA will take the brunt of the anger unless and until this list is nullified and void.

And I believe the list will be voided. With the support of most of the other airline members of ALPA. Because with the flawed merger policy in place, merger possibilities abounding, and airlines like JetBlue, AirTran, and the others a list like this could happen at DAL, UAL or NWA and no one is going to stand for it.

pilot

 

[700UW]

Apparently you don't realize the West Pilots will be included in the vote.

And decertify = no CBA, employee at will.

Look in the mirror, you only have to blame yourselves for the leadership you elected, once again the GAG makes their mark on the pilots wallets.

You all will never learn.

 

[Bud8EE]

Apparently you don't realize the West Pilots will be included in the vote.

And decertify = no CBA, employee at will.

Look in the mirror, you only have to blame yourselves for the leadership you elected, once again the GAG makes their mark on the pilots wallets.

You all will never learn.

You don't know much about Labor law do you? All you have to do is get 50% +1 cards of the membership filled out to vote for another bargaining unit to replace the one you have. Then you have a vote on selection of the union and it's only 51% of the people who vote. The contract in place remains in force and is administrated by the new union. I am sure the Teamsters or someone else would be happy to do this.

 

[700UW]

I know plenty about the RLA, been involved in organizing.

First you have to find a union that will raid you, since ALPA is AFL-CIO that will be a difficult job.

Second if you start you own union you will have to fund it, organizing drives are not cheap.

Once you get the cards to hold a vote, you still have to have an election and have enough people vote to get a new union certified. And a the vote still has to be 50%+1, not 51% for a union to be certified. And don't forget the West Pilots will be included in the vote.

Third, it won't change your CBA, nor will it change your the arbitration award.

So only thing you can accomplish is a new union with the same CBA and seniority system or a decertification and being an employee at will.

So how many organizing campaigns have you been part of?

I have been part of many, including the largest in the Airline Industry.

I know what it takes for change to happen.

 

[Bud8EE]

I know plenty about the RLA, been involved in organizing.

First you have to find a union that will raid you, since ALPA is AFL-CIO that will be a difficult job.

Second if you start you own union you will have to fund it, organizing drives are not cheap.

Once you get the cards to hold a vote, you still have to have an election and have enough people vote to get a new union certified. And a the vote still has to be 50%+1, not 51% for a union to be certified. And don't forget the West Pilots will be included in the vote.

Third, it won't change your CBA, nor will it change your the arbitration award.

So only thing you can accomplish is a new union with the same CBA and seniority system or a decertification and being an employee at will.

So how many organizing campaigns have you been part of?

I have been part of many, including the largest in the Airline Industry.

I know what it takes for change to happen.

Bottom line is, if they pull their joint negotiators away, nothing happens with the single seniority list. Does it put management in a good bargaining position to whipsaw? Yes, but I think you will find many there at this point would rather be taken advantage of by management, then have the union they have paid $100,000 in dues to over 20 years to steal from them.

 

[allstrike]

Bottom line is, if they pull their joint negotiators away, nothing happens with the single seniority list. Does it put management in a good bargaining position to whipsaw? Yes, but I think you will find many there at this point would rather be taken advantage of by management, then have the union they have paid $100,000 in dues to over 20 years to steal from them.

I rmember the ramp trusting managment one time,it didnt go so well. :down:

 

[Bud8EE]

I rmember the ramp trusting managment one time,it didnt go so well. :down:

It's not about trust. It's about who does the stealing, the bean counter that tries to maximize revenue and minimize cost or the one you paid dues to for 20 years. Better to have a stranger rob you than a friend or brother.

 

[awausairtech]

I rmember the ramp trusting managment one time,it didnt go so well. :down:

I can remember MX trusting management one time in the west 1995 and that didn't go so hot ether, still pulling sand out of my back side LOL That was a long hard dry f--- well you now what I mean.