TWU,TEAMSTERS AND AA

[T-bone]

700UW YOU ARE A REAL TOOL LOL. YOU USED THAT SCREEN NAME BACK IN THE AWA MERGER...TRICKEY RICKEY

And by the way fellow’s thanks for the break there on my first day back in over a decade--nice way to welcome someone. That's some pretty shoddy detective work Travis, I (without looking up the policy) seriously doubt the administrator would allow someone to use a different sign on.

 

[T-bone]

The funny thing about the ibt is they have been using the come on in their raid at US, "Check out our track record." And when you do look at that record of broken promises and corruption like the Teamster bosses arraigned last week in New York for racketeering and begin to ask questions, they say, "Look at our numbers" . . . They have become for me the punch line to the question, "How can you tell when they are lying?' When their lips are moving."

Now, the ibt raider's are telling people at US that they never promised anything, I.E. seniority protection, pensions, democracy, and scope. The reamsters mantra has now become we only said those issue's would be discussed.

What have they been promising you at AA? Do any of their promises sound familiar? Under pressure they will drop those promises mark my words; put them to the acid test before you drink the yellow kool Aid.

 

[Anomaly]

Blue Collar. 700UW is trying to get you and other Teamster Supporters to use Logic and not Emotion. PSA employees were ALL under Teamster contracts except the ALPA Pilots. WE had great Contracts negotiated by Marv G. until the Merger with US/Piedmont.The Teamster Airline Division back then is not the T.A.D of today.Voting Teamsters now will only help AMR Group Inc. and the IBT . You and your Brothers at AMR will only be helping the Teamsters pay for their broken promises they have made to their current and retired Members. Our advise is don't make this a protest vote against the IAM/TWU that will get you NOTHING ! Contracts Now . Contracts for ALL.

I respectfully disagree psa8979. As with any campaign ideas and intentions are spoken out loud. Some of them are followed on and some just fade away as a bad idea. At the end of the day we judge any new administration or elected representative based on the work they are doing and not on what the supporting campaigners did or did not promise. At UA and CO, the Teamsters have not failed us and have made our work site a kinder and more appreciative place to be. The Teamsters took notice to what our main issues were and the labored hard to correct these items both in and out of the negotiating rooms. They have made advancements for us in both working conditions and financial security. Is it everything that was suggested by individual campaigners plus a cherry on top? No, but we have all improved significantly because of the Teamsters. I would say the Teamsters kept their word that a vote for them would benefit us as a working group. We certainly have benefited.

I find it appropriate that you speak fondly of the past leadership specifically Marv G. who expertly negotiated some strong Teamster contracts and even set direction and standards for the industry to follow. He truly was a great labor leader and had the heart and willingness to do all he could for the members. You really did have great Teamster contracts thanks to him.

As with all things, time marches on. True the Airline Division is not what it used to be. It has grown tremendously and in turn taken on new responsibility and leadership roles. Now, more than ever, the leadership has taken to task the challenges that will direct the Airline industry for years to come. Marv is no longer in the business, but who better to follow in his footsteps than his son, Clacy? The apple has not fallen far from the tree in this regard and he too has expertly navigated us through some tough challenges. Clacy has lead us to success where other unions have failed to get advancements for their members. We have improved years ahead of the IAM primarily thanks to the Teamster Airline Divisions combined leadership. Teamster mechanics are in very good hands because of the current leadership and the direction created by Marv G.

 

[TRAVIS]

Thanks for posting this. Stupid-ass teamsters writers can't differentiate between "affect" and "effect." "Affecting" is the word they were thinking of, but in their ignorance, they wrote "effecting." From the first paragraph:

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You do know that information came from the IAM and is not from the IBT. It's made to look like IBT info.
I called they said it was not from them.
ASK 700 to post the link. but read the link he post. you will not find that info.
More IAM BS.

Have A Nice IBT Day.

 

[psa8979]

To my Brothers at AMR Group/LCC who are thinking Teamsters or AMFA I suggest you talk to UAL/CO Mechanics before you Vote. Living in Pacifica CA. I know many UAL Mechanics and talk with them often . Many talk about the mistake they made after 3 raids of ever giving AMFA a chance, none have anything good to say about the Teamsters Airline Division. As far as the current Leadership at T.A.D ex-specially former Ramp Brother Clacy G. , it saddens me that the Union I was once so proud to be a member, has and continues to make promises they can't and won't keep. Contracts Now . Contracts for ALL !

 

[T-bone]

You do know that information came from the IAM and is not from the IBT. It's made to look like IBT info.
I called they said it was not from them.
ASK 700 to post the link. but read the link he post. you will not find that info.
More IAM BS.

I spoke with IAM leadership they say the flier came off AA property in Chicago. They deny having anything to do with it except pass it on, and they say the IAM AGC accused of making it up fully and categorically denies having anything to do with it, and very much denies any alleged confession.

The flier is just more ibt deception--anything to get a person to sign a card.

 

[700UW]

The flier was in AA MX breakroom in ORD and LGA, photos were taken of it hanging up there.

 

[TRAVIS]

You Lost track of which screen name you were on lol
nice recovery....

 

[Anomaly]

To my Brothers at AMR Group/LCC who are thinking Teamsters or AMFA I suggest you talk to UAL/CO Mechanics before you Vote. Living in Pacifica CA. I know many UAL Mechanics and talk with them often . Many talk about the mistake they made after 3 raids of ever giving AMFA a chance, none have anything good to say about the Teamsters Airline Division. As far as the current Leadership at T.A.D ex-specially former Ramp Brother Clacy G. , it saddens me that the Union I was once so proud to be a member, has and continues to make promises they can't and won't keep. Contracts Now . Contracts for ALL !

I work at SFO and I can't think of a single person who would agree with what you said. Well, maybe one, jim seitz, but he is desperate and will say anything to get a job with the IAM. SFO is divided between two camps. Those for the Teamsters and those who wanted to give amfa a longer try. After the losses delivered by the IAM, other than in a passing joke, they are not even mentioned. Ex-specially here on the line where the majority are amfa supporters (although weakening). Even having said that, a very high percentage from both camps appreciate the fact that the Teamsters were able to secure good wages and get us a contract 18 months ago. Compare that to the IAM workers who have been in the same concessionary contract since 2005. The best the IAM could do was to offer a tentative agreement that gave virtually zero wage increase and job security for two years.

Check out the HELL NO!!!!!! Facebook page to see how IAM members feel about their representation. They want a contract now too, but not the one that has been negotiated for them.

 

[xUT]

The flier was in AA MX breakroom in ORD and LGA, photos were taken of it hanging up there.

I don't this it matters where it came from.
IIRC hundreds of 'flyers' were distributed during the IBT raid on AMFA at UA.
None of them had 'official letter head' or signed by 'any' IBT official.
I brought that up a several times with my constituents that you have no idea where they came from and if they are 'official', but (evidently) it didn't stick.
Too bad for them.
Next time you get one of these flyers, take it to an IBT official and ask him to sign it.
See how far that flies... 😛

B) xUT

 

[psa8979]

Anomly. You confirmed what I posted concerning the Teamster's and AMFA at UAL/CO,AMR,and LCC M&R because the Majority of them don't no about or care about what's posted on this FORUM. We are a small group of current or past Airline Worker's on the AIRLINE FORUM posting our opinions and knowledge of Airlines and Unions. Most will never read anything we think or post and care less about what WE say.Informed workers will make their decision on facts and history. The uninformed or apathetic will not participate or base their decision on representation on what some one tells them at work and make a uninformed or emotional decision. You can't argue against facts or truth. Unfortunately, many try and do working for Airlines.

 

[Anomaly]

I don't this it matters where it came from.
IIRC hundreds of 'flyers' were distributed during the IBT raid on AMFA at UA.
None of them had 'official letter head' or signed by 'any' IBT official.
I brought that up a several times with my constituents that you have no idea where they came from and if they are 'official', but (evidently) it didn't stick.
Too bad for them.
Next time you get one of these flyers, take it to an IBT official and ask him to sign it.
See how far that flies... 😛

B) xUT

The flier was written by the IAM to look like an IBT flier. The Machinists did the same thing against amfa during that raid. They created fake amfa fliers to create doubt among the amfa supporters. The IAM will scrape the bottom of the barrel of deceit in order to win an election. Remember how it was when we tried to get amfa at UA brah?

 

[CactUSmx]

http://www.iamdl142.org/Observer/142Spring2012%20FINAL.pdf

 

[Anomaly]

Anomly. You confirmed what I posted concerning the Teamster's and AMFA at UAL/CO,AMR,and LCC M&R because the Majority of them don't no about or care about what's posted on this FORUM. We are a small group of current or past Airline Worker's on the AIRLINE FORUM posting our opinions and knowledge of Airlines and Unions. Most will never read anything we think or post and care less about what WE say.Informed workers will make their decision on facts and history. The uninformed or apathetic will not participate or base their decision on representation on what some one tells them at work and make a uninformed or emotional decision. You can't argue against facts or truth. Unfortunately, many try and do working for Airlines.

The opinions you share trying to convince others how to vote for their futures should at least be fact based. If you are simply creating banter to support one group over another, then you should expect some form of reply.

You do not have first hand knowledge as a mechanic at UAL, yet you so readily assume an opinion based on what you say are mechanic "friends" is non subjective. Perhaps you know them through the same IAM circles? No wonder they may seem biased? Did any of them complain about the wage increases we have seen compared to the Machinists represented employees? My pay check increased nearly $1000.00 every two weeks. The machinists have not had a raise since their wages were slashed in the 2005 bankruptcy. They currently make less than they did 10 years ago. And still the IAM is dragging their feet.

I agree on informed choices, but I also believe first hand knowledge is much more beneficial than second hand water cooler gossip.

 

[xUT]

The flier was written by the IAM to look like an IBT flier. The Machinists did the same thing against amfa during that raid. They created fake amfa fliers to create doubt among the amfa supporters. The IAM will scrape the bottom of the barrel of deceit in order to win an election. Remember how it was when we tried to get amfa at UA brah?

Yea, I remember.
That's a problem with these flyers. You never know who wrote them and if they are indeed facts or just hollow promises.
IBT did the same thing.
Does two wrongs make a right?

Take Care Brah!
B) xUT