U.S. Pilot Labor Thread 9/28 - 10/05

[ussnark]

"It's what they DO, not what they SAY." I don't believe you.As you well know membership status is irrelevent. USAPA by law must defend all US Airways pilots.Those not being furloughed have done the same. The wheels of justice turn slowly. Excepting the judge's dismissal of USAPA's suit against us, of course. That one was just too obvious.AWAPPA is not a putative union nor does it purport to be anything other than an organization to help defend us from the East's egregious actions. Now you speak of "letters"? You think all we have to do is write USAPA some letters and they'll magically have a change of heart? Right.Like I would care what you think of AOL, but in any case AOL is pursuing the lawsuits and that's all they do. What does ego have to do with anything?If legitimacy is USAPA's best asset then they are indeed without assets.

You may wish to acquaint yourself with union law because my understanding and yours is pretty far apart. I suspect you might be surprised.

About putative union, it should have been clear that I was referring to AOL, as AWWAAPPAAA seems defunct.

 

[ussnark]

How many pilots have been fired for not paying dues?

Zero.

Actually, three in the early 90's. Two returned, one did not.

Glad to see you know so much.

 

[traderjake]

Actually, three in the early 90's. Two returned, one did not.

Glad to see you know so much.

How many have been fired by USAPA?

Zero.

We know we'll have to pay eventually but until we inflict maximum damage.

 

[nycbusdriver]

How many have been fired by USAPA?

Zero.

So far.

But standby....

We know we'll have to pay eventually but until we inflict maximum damage.

Gee, that sounds like something that could spur a lawsuit...oops...already happening. Inflict away, my friend. You will lose one way or another.

 

[machtuck]

How many have been fired by USAPA?

Zero.

We know we'll have to pay eventually but until we inflict maximum damage.

well...this is easy then...

bye, bye...

The union shall not send you reminders...nor notes, nor bills....you will be gone all at once...

And the preponderance of posts bragging about it by the west shall suffice as proper notice.
You all seem to know it's coming...you wait for it..and challenge it...therefore, it's no surprise...


happy trails, 'cactus"

 

[machtuck]

How many have been fired by USAPA?

Zero.

We know we'll have to pay eventually but until we inflict maximum damage.

I thought it was proper to 're-quote" this for Mr. "Save Dave"....

(Sorry, Dave, your friends out west have seen fit to toss you under the bus...as a matter of principle. They are too busy "inflicting maximum damage' to USAPA..)

Of course, as seperate operations, this has little or no effect on "us out East"...but if it makes them feel better...

I have no problem with the west "strategerie"...at all.

The longer they play the game, the more west heads roll....

interesting.

As you were.

 

[traderjake]

well...this is easy then...

bye, bye...

The union shall not send you reminders...nor notes, nor bills....you will be gone all at once...

And the preponderance of posts bragging about it by the west shall suffice as proper notice.
You all seem to know it's coming...you wait for it..and challenge it...therefore, it's no surprise...


happy trails, 'cactus"

You might try reading your contract.

USAPA has to send a registered letter that you have 15 days to respond to.

When USAPA bags it's first pilot I might consider taking what you say seriously.

Until then continue your mindless chest thumping.

 

[machtuck]

You might try reading your contract.

USAPA has to send a registered letter that you have 15 days to respond to.

When USAPA bags it's first pilot I might consider taking what you say seriously.

Until then continue your mindless chest thumping.

I think if you would set the shotgun down and re-read my posts you'd know that I have stated the process in it's entirety several times...
I know it...do you?

tick-tock...
tick-tock...

 

[machtuck]

By my counting...about 600 "fat pinkies" just waiting to launch....and all according to your 'timeline"...

Well....

(tickety-tock)

nice chating with ya,

I hope those FUR guys don't go far...gonna be some vacancies out west..

 

[NiceLandingCaptain]

Pal, you are asking the wrong cat to do your homework for you...

USAPA has filed a grievance for those....uh...ummm.."friends" out west who are FUR out of seniority. The fact that you may not have access to that info is telling and academic to me.
Personally, I couldn't give two $*T# about it..

If you NEVER pay one penny to this NMB union it suits me just fine...you will dissappear like the others' and be done with...or, you can go the other way and maybe save your a&&....I couldn't possibly care less.

If you want a shoulder to cry on...use AWAPPA or AOL.

Otherwise, get out of the way.

Firstly, I will kindly ask you to refrain from calling me "Pal." I am neither your dog nor am I your friend.

Next I will point out that you cannot find anything to support your assertion that a grievance has been filed by usap in defense of the west furloughees. Hence, your demeaning statement about whatever access I may or may not have.

No sir, you are simply blowing this "fact" out your posterior orifice hoping no one will notice. Well, sorry, this SBD was a real bomb.

Put up a link or continue to stink.

 

[machtuck]

Firstly, I will kindly ask you to refrain from calling me "Pal." I am neither your dog nor am I your friend.

Next I will point out that you cannot find anything to support your assertion that a grievance has been filed by usap in defense of the west furloughees. Hence, your demeaning statement about whatever access I may or may not have.

No sir, you are simply blowing this "fact" out your posterior orifice hoping no one will notice. Well, sorry, this SBD was a real bomb.

Put up a link or continue to stink.

USAPA Update
September 22, 2008



Item One: On September 5th USAPA Update, we reported that a group of West pilots filed a complaint against US Airways and USAPA in the federal district court in Phoenix, Arizona. With regards to that litigation, on September 18th the plaintiffs in that litigation filed a motion for a preliminary injunction asking the federal court to enjoin US Airways from furloughing any pre-merger America West pilot until the Company “re-furloughs†all US Airways pilots who were on furlough status on September 23, 2005. The plaintiffs argue that, if the East pilots had bargained in good faith toward a single CBA superseding the existing Transition Agreement, the Nicolau Award would currently be in effect and furloughs determined in accordance with the seniority list formulated therein. Interestingly enough, the plaintiffs actually argue: “If the Company had honored its duties, it would have implemented the seniority lists after June 30, 2006, because the US Airways pilots were not cooperating with CBA negotiations.â€

The remedy sought in this preliminary injunction motion appears to be at odds with the First Cause of Action in the plaintiffs’ Complaint, which alleges that US Airways is in “direct breach†of the Transition Agreement due to its prospective failure to furlough all pilots on the New Hire Seniority List prior to furloughing any pre-merger America West pilots.

This latter argument finds support in both the terms of the Transition Agreement and basic union concepts of seniority. Even prior to the filing of the plaintiffs’ Complaint, USAPA had filed a grievance in support of the pre-merger West pilots’ right not to be furloughed until the New Hire Seniority List has been exhausted. USAPA has requested that the Company cooperate in expediting the processing of that grievance.


....you were saying...pal?


the silence is truly deafening....

better call AOL...quick!


(thought so)

 

[NiceLandingCaptain]

There is no evidence presented by the grievance committee that any such action has been taken. The east has shown that it is quite content with things exactly as they are - westyz furloughed out of seniority.

If usapa were serious, they would settle the lawsuit regarding furloughs with AOL. How do you explain usapa's (in)actions there? Its usap's actions that speak volumes - not their word.

 

[machtuck]

First...I'm not answering any of you queries....you don't deserve them, AND, when I just gave you one...you dismiss it...

I love the fact that you out west are shaky over the byproduct of your 'master plan"...to stay seperate and follow a 'cultish" organization out west.

Ask me if I care...

No.

You challenged me to provide documentation of USAPA's follow-through on your west FUR's...

I did.

 

[machtuck]

There is no evidence presented by the grievance committee that any such action has been taken. The east has shown that it is quite content with things exactly as they are - westyz furloughed out of seniority.

If usap were serious, they would settle the lawsuit regarding furloughs with AOL. How do you explain usapa's (in)actions there? Its usap's actions that speak volumes - not their word.

Oh, and who the he(( is AOL?

NOBODY.

They don't get "bargained with"

The company doesn't recognize them...surely USAPA doesn't.....

but you keep paying them...( I hope you can write off the expenses to the cult...er..."professional organization"...)

 

[ussnark]

How many have been fired by USAPA?

Zero.

We know we'll have to pay eventually but until we inflict maximum damage.

It is a pretty complicated procedure. Every possibility for non-payment must be excluded. Minimum time I saw was three months.

I believe USAPA has no intention of fomenting turmoil than there is already and so, is willing to bend over backwards to give everyone a chance for rational behavior.

If you are using that goodwill for your own nefarious purposes, then I guess, that will reflect as your own lack of integrity.